You dont even own any Mirage F-1C
How can you be so condescending when you’re not even that good at ARB?
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1: I can Guarantee at least a quarter of my deaths are team kills.
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2: Generally speaking jets aren’t my favorite, I’ve also been dealing with ARH missiles in higher tier jets, specifically jets that if I turn cold I instantly will have a massive disadvantage (Viggen series), so multipathing is my only option (Yay invisible trees)
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3: I have shitty countryside internet with bad PL and Ping
ML is definitely inferior, R-60MK’s are not Magic 2’s, really still bad even against Magic 1’s, the R-24R has IOG, which is good if you continue fly straight, but all you have to do is jink and chaff and it will easily miss.
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This jet will always be hard to balance with magic 2s.
If it had better radar missiles it could easily go up. Or if it had magic 1 it could sit at 11.0 and be ok there
Mirage F1C has 2x Magic 2s and 2 situational other missiles.
The Magic 2s are better than both AIM-7s and AIM-9s, just used differently than AIM-7s.
Of course the only great missiles on Phantoms and F-14A tech tree are the AIM-7s. AIM-7s are better in the headon vs Magic 2s, and Magic 2s are better in the side and rear aspect than AIM-7s.
And of course the Mig-23ML has as-good radar missiles with an as-good radar, while having far worse IR missiles.
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But R-24R is the equivalent in performance, let me explain:
On F-1C you get x5 AA missiles:
- x2 IR Magic 2 (very good, BUT only from rear aspect you “asure” a kill, still flareable from every aspect)
- x2 SARH R 530F (no CW seaker, will go for chaff, beyond useless)
- x1 SARH/IR R 530E (way beyond useless)
On MiG-23ML you get x6 AA missiles:
- x2 SARH R-24R (very good, CW seaker+IOG, wont go for chaff, but can be notched (fuck the R-24T btw))
- x4 IR R-60M (way way worse than Magic 2, BUT, you can get some nasty kills on head-on thanks to the proxymity fuse delay being 0.5 sec vs 1.8 sec from Magic 2)
On both you can get 2 kills with strong missiles, but only on the F-1C you need to get in to close/dogfight range, witch gets you on a disadvantage.
And in turning performance, the F-1C is worse than a phantom:
On F-1C you either get real close to the enemy plane in order to use Magics 2 or you do nothing, meanwhile F-14, F-4J and MiG-23ML can just shoot missiles at you at +20km range and keep the F-1C at its mercy very easy
Indeed, the Magic 2, being “hard” to flare, has a range of not more than 2.3km from rear aspect at a target flyign at mach, meanwhile AIM-7F can keep going way longer
What? You clearly haven’t played the R-60 series, they are fast off the rails, and that’s it, then your a 99 pound dart in the air with no maneuverability, they are most definitely a short range dogfight missile, especially if you use BVR/ACM. Even then even BOL could flare it like a sad puppy following you in the rain.
Except for the fact F-1C has chaff for days and enough flight performance to avoid radar missiles.
Yeah, but AIM-7F has CW seaker, so when the F1C wants to re-commit, all you need to do is launch another AIM-7F untill he cannot avoid it
A rare moment we agree, although the r24r is superior to the super530e because it has inertial navigation so even if they chaff it will still hit most likely unlike the latter. the magic 2 is FAR superior to the r60s though yes.
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CW does aid in chaff resist but the radar itself is chaffy prior to launch on both.
Doesnt it has a PDV HDN seaker on both Phantom and F-14?
true but unless they pre chaff it will hit no matter if they spam, it’s kinda like the irrcm on the aim9m you have to move out of the direction you were originally going.
i believe he assumed you were calling the r60m good not the r24r
And even then itas what i said here
The Mirage cannot perma notch without getting kill on rear aspect
Idk, i literally said “R-60M are way way worse”
Mig-23 and F1C are both MTI.
And cause F-14 and F-4 are HDN PD radars they’re chaffable at far more angles as well.