Why is the Mirage F1C-200 at 12.0 BR where it stands against the much better armed F-4S, Mig-21Bison, Su-33, F-16A variants, J-11, Su-27, F-15A, MIG-29, F-14A/B Tomcat variants, F-20A ? Even the much better armed MIG-23ML is at 11.7 BR, when I bought the Mirage back then it was on 11.3 BR, so why couldn’t it stay there when the BRs changed? Armed with 2x Matra R550 Magic 2 (which don’t always work as they should), Matra Super R530F (which is better not to carry, because the radar lock is unreliable, it’s slow and the missiles often ignore the target), Matra R530/R530E (it’s not good at all, she lacks speed and agility and is generally not worth carrying), finally we have some bomb load that does not offend, but definitely cannot be compared with the armament of the above-mentioned aircraft.
I have over 150 battles with that plane and I can safely say that there are planes that are much more fun and less painful than the Mirage F1C-200, that plane should have at least 11.3 BR, I wouldn’t change much about the armament , but maybe instead of 2x Matra R550 Magic 2, I would change it to 4x Matra R550 Magic 2, in terms of flight characteristics, it would like to increase engine thrust and overall maneuverability, whereas in the characteristics of the aircraft it is mentioned that the aircraft is able to complete a circle in 27 s (with missile armament in approximately 28 - 30 s), however, this is not entirely true, when e.g. , such a MIG-23ML has 33 - 35 s and the Mirage for some unknown reason has no chance.
In conclusion, please reduce the BR of this aircraft, modify (improve) the flight and performance characteristics of the aircraft, or modify or improve the armament so that it is able to compete with other aircraft.
Although it loses against most of competitors in amount of ordnance, raw performance and so on, Magic 2s at 12.0 are 2 free kill tickets (if used correctly).
I don’t agree with its current placement, it should be slightly lower. But blame compression instead.
Hello. I have played the Mirage F1C. I have 300+ battles in it.
It was one of the worst planes I’ve ever used.
-Magic 2 are very good IR missiles, maybe even the best in game, but in order to reliably score a kill, one has to be behind a plane and be 3km behind it.
-“Super” 530F are the biggest trashcans (second to R530) I’ve ever used. The famously “terrible” F-4EJ at 11.0 have access to Aim-7E, which are CW seeker (!!) and not fooled by one chaff. Not only that, they have SMALL explosive mass so there is no way to give multipathers splash damage, and they sometimes do non critical damage to planes (AI or players).
-The R530 are even worse. I have exclusively used them on AI planes, and even then, it’s not that reliable.
-The engine is not powerful either, so if you want to base bomb, tough luck! You can’t because it’s just so
slow with a full bomb load.
-The radar is horrible. Ah yes, MTI works reliably in searching, but there is no ACM or ACQ (in MTI mode), and TRK MTI rarely shows up, it’s almost always TRK, filled full of ground clutter
-The guns are horrible. Low velocity, “Hit” is something that happens usually. At least with Gsh-23 (seen on MiG-21) they are accurate so they are good at ground targets.
-The airframe is trash. I have dogfight F-4S Phantoms which are famously named “missile bus” but guess what? It was like a A6M zero compared to my HAUL TRUCK (400+ tons construction giant trucks)
-The RWR are horrible, So many cases I’ve seen side missiles that tagged as front, and the top/belly does note have RWR at all. At least they tell you [CW] and [PULSE] so I’ll give it some credit.
Against a competent lobby, it simply stands no chance, not even against its 12.0 peers like the F-4S. CW missiles (such as 7F) requires complex manuever to evade (notching, multipathing, barrel roll etc), while my weapons (magic/“super” 530F) can be evaded with a single flare/chaff (as long not on rear aspect for IR missile)
They are “free kills” against zombers who show their rear or who haven’t binded CM key only. Against a semi competent lobby, filled with R-27ER, Fakour, and even the 7F (I consider it a meh missile, but it was like going against THANOS when fighting it in the M1C)
In a full up tier, yeah, but the thing just dumpsters other jets that are actually at its BR and in down tiers too.
they don’t. you have to do complex maneuvers to fight against 7F (notch, MP, barrel roll), but a single chaff/flare is enough to throw off 530F/Magic 2 (as long not rear aspect for the magic 2)
Congrats, you found out why you don’t climb and just multipath. Was it that hard to figure out? Any all aspect missile flakes off like a dog in heat in front aspect, even the AIM-9M is flakey in front aspect.
you can’t stay in the MP zone forever, especially if you need energy to get behind someone. also i’ve heard of people calling this a “ambush plane” which I guess, being at the ground level, isn’t too stealthy.
Who calls it an ‘ambush plane’? You’re going to be visible anywhere except behind a mountain or in a canyon. Just stay in multipath zone, and shoot off your A-AIR missiles at flareless or preoccupied targets.
Do you even know how to slave the missile? If not I understand why you say it deserves a lower BR.
Well, you can’t really call it a free kill, for example today my Matra R550 Magic 2 rocket was also confused by an ally’s canon dose, the rocket simply flew further and did not pay attention to the target at which it was originally launched…xD
It has magic 2s they’re 40G IRCCM missiles. Use them. They’re free kills.
Yes, if you get to use them.
Which highly unlikey as you face opponents with PD that can use their AIM-7F, or the R-24R on the MIG-23ML that are manouverable or even worse, AIM-120A when you get a full uptier.
The F1C-200 has a good FM and the Magic 2s are nice, but the Matra and the Radard and the RWS are not good at all. Either give it an option to run 4x Magic 2 and you can use it as a pure IR missile bus or lower it in BR to at least 11.7.
It’s in the game for a reason.
This; coming from a Viggen player, reads out:
Cry me a river
I don’t get IRCCM missiles, I bleed speed at more than double your rate, and I only have 4 directions on my RWR, none of which are front, rear, left, or right.
Sorry, I’m missing your point.
Are you trying to compare the Viggen with the Mirage?
Because at 12.0 you would use the J37D with the RB74/AIM-9L.
You’d also have 6 of them or 4 and 2 of the RB71…which are not too bad if you can get a radar lock…
I feel like a part of the issue is that it isn’t good at long range engagements, super 530f and it’s rwr aren’t great. The rwr issue is funny because at the same br is the F1CT, which gets a better rwr.
It.moved up because everything moved up
At 12.3 you get the Mirage 2000C-S4/5 and this one actually rocks!
If I could use it to research the tree I’d actually have fun. Good Missiles, Good FM, Good Radar…
F-14A has inferior armament as well as being a different BR.
None of the aircraft you mentioned except F-4S are the same BR.
F-4S has inferior weapons, and Mig-23ML has drastically inferior weapons to F-1C.
Wait what?
You get two IRCCM Magic 2s which at that BR are literally free kills. No one else gets IR missiles that good until like 13.0.
The 530Fs are average, and the 530E is a meme, but I have gotten kills with the 530E, and its hilarious when it does.
The aircrafts flight performance is also insane, its incredibly fast and accelerates fast. It turns pretty well too.
Ive got 49 battles in it and Im running a 3-1 KDR with it, I got it in the christmas sale thats just gone after my friend who has hundreds of battles with it was raving about how good it was he has 370 battles in it and is at 3.3-1 KDR.
Ill gladly take a lower BR though. Ill just farm more kills with it
Yes, it is a different BR, but still you meet those planes quite often and you are not able to protect yourself against them…