The radar is terrible. It has a MTI mode, but this mode does not provide lead for the guns, nor does it provide a MTI/PD TRK mode.
The effective range is about 4km (!!!). Admittedly, magic 2 are very good missiles, but this is less relevant with the introduction of new fox 3 13.0 planes.
The RWR is terrible. Just Notch is laughable, because missiles require almost 90 degrees and your RWR only has 4 directions, you literally can’t notch properly until the missile is in WVR range (10km) which is too late.
The plane has low thrust. If you decided to use it for ground attack duties or carry bombs (for grinding/PVE purposes), tough luck! Other planes will be way faster.
The manuverability is horrible. Positioning is something extremely important for IR missiles. It is therefore, the “Yak-38” of 12.0.
The secondary (non magic 2) missiles are all terrible. 15-20G at 12.0!!! This is less agile than Aim-7E-2 and Aim-7F. Not to mention, they are way less chaff resistant than Aim-7E-2 (DF).
This jet should be dropped to 11.7, seeing as Jaguar IS, as terrible as it is, with two magic 2, is 11.3! If that is not possible, magic 2s should be removed and the jet should be dropped to 11.3, as a F-4E sidegrade with better IR missiles and worse SARH missiles.
So you’d have it the same BR as MiG-23s, with even worse MTI radar, worse RWR, less countermeasures, lower flight performance, worse cannons, and the worst all-aspect missiles in the game? Lol
The Jaguar IS is 11.3 because it only has 2 missiles, NO RADAR, low ammo, meh flight performance + top speed. Though I have/had a blast flying it
The solution is decompression, we should be at by now 15.0 because I understand not being thrilled to face a couple of the newer 13.0’s and they likewise to the 13.7/14.0s
Dropping the Magic 2s in exchange for a lower BR is something I could get behind, but good luck convincing the people who spam this jet and those missiles to agree with you.
the people who like the jet and like the magic 2’s wont agree with it and it also wouldnt be historically accurate. many people like this jet and is happy with the battlerating. its just not for you.
The Mirage F1 is not overtiered, it suffers from the compression of the Br, the easiest way to realize that the plane is good is to play it in ASB in the right Br bracket and there you will realize that the plane is not bad but that it is even rather good
WHAT?! its an absolute monster at it’s current br imo. Decent flight performance, magic 2s and a bunch of countermeasures make it one of the best 12.0s