I would really like to know what their sources are, the plane cannot fire AASM and the rear stations are not even qualified to fire guided weaponry from the plane.
And on the other hand, they still haven’t added the Gbu-22s and the additional smooth bombs.
BTW AASM can now do proper over the shoulder shots
Do you still have the picture of the testbed? didnt the rear stations also carried hammers there?
In the image of the 2000N No. 303, where we see AASM on the rear mounting points, these are mock-ups/fake weapons being transported.
Same with the 2000C, which has carried one time, these are just bomb models and not real bombs.
The rear mounting points are locked for ground air carry because aerodynamically the bombs do surprising things during release; this was tested during the update for the 2000D RMV, but in the end, the points are still not open.
The guided first bombs that could possibly be added at these points would be the ASPTT (model shown at the Bourget airshow a few years ago), but the bombs are not yet in service.
Just as a reminder, according to an assembly document from 2011 (considering that no new work or tests have been done since for the integration on Mirage 2000D)
" L’intégration de l’AASM sur les Mirage 2000D a donné lieu à de premiers travaux restés à ce jour inachevés, faute d’engagements de la part de la DGA. Mais les quelque 20 millions d’euros économisés du fait de cet abandon enlèvent au Mirage 2000D des capacités opérationnelles significatives"
" The integration of the AASM on the Mirage 2000D has led to initial work that remains unfinished to this day, due to a lack of commitments from the DGA. However, the approximately 20 million euros saved from this abandonment deprives the Mirage 2000D of significant operational capabilities. "
honestly i dont mind them adding more.
Personally, it bothers me on a lot of points.
First of all, it’s not the role of a 2000D to fire such missiles. A 2000D is a light CAS aircraft that normally carries 2 to 3 Gbu and no more. It’s not an American fighter with 4 types of bombs and 3 different types of rockets.
Secondly, it’s not realist. The game is supposed to be at least somewhat based on reality, but on this aircraft and the 2000-5F, they’ve left reality out. AASMs have no business being on this plane.
Finally, it’s not even possible for the two hardpoints on which they just added the two additional AASMs to carry guided weapons; they don’t even have the wiring for it.
So I accept that it pleases you that it has more weapons but at some point you have to face the facts, this plane has nothing to do with what the 2000D RMV is irl. It should be renamed as “future evolution of the Mirage 2000D” or as “Mirage 2000D R3”
One thing I would like for this plane would be to add the Gbu-22s that they forget with each new update, to add the fuel tanks under the wings but above all to remove the AASM and the PGMs that have nothing to do there.
And if we have to put a slightly unique weapon on this plane to make it interesting, we have to add the ASPTT because at least they have been tested on the plane and are planned to be integrated in the coming years.
Now all we need is one with MICA IR, and I will be content. Though a questionable way of handling it.
It would have nice if they split this out into a “late”-esque moniker, instead of chucking it into this one. However, it could only realistically receive MICAs (from memory one of the reasons for the upgrade) in game if it received more air to ground payload that could contend in the environment it would find itself in IMO. I would like a silly little strike mirage with silly little micas and a payload that at least allows it to feign effectiveness.
Honestly, would have been a bit easier to take this change if they removed the strange additions to the 5F on the face of it with the argument that it was proposed (if they can demonstrate it) and would facilitate greater accuracy on different plane. Overall, the change is better than it is worse to my mind, as it facilitates not using the Rafale if you’re inclined to a competent strike platform, but it could have been done better.
The RMV update is a bit of a “cheap” update; the government doesn’t want to spend a lot of money on it, and it doesn’t actually add much.
The main areas of the update are:
That was the government’s request. Now, if they want to give us the “improved” version proposed by the manufacturers (and the government in some respects), they can, but it will have to be upgraded to a BR.
The proposal included:
Essentially what I’m saying would have been nice instead of these changes. Would have been easier to fudge the extra AASMs without making it wonky.
i’ve noticed that gaijin tend to ignore that issue for all vehicles, m2k c couldnt carry radar missiles + bombs but in game it can. so eh
I would assume these would use belly racks? But how would that be possible without using ejector pylons which are standard for belly launched missiles?
AFAIK the magic 2 doesn’t use ejector pylons
This was shared by the French YouTuber Meumeu in one of his live streams/videos around the time of the plane’s introduction but he also states that he is not allowed to show the documentation since it’s still currently classified.
Welp, after trying out Mirage 4000, although now it had better defensive capabilities thanks to its extra 332 large calibre chaff, unfortunately it’s still such an unfortunate aircraft. I don’t think the FM aren’t the main problem, but its matchmaking.
Like, the matchmaking for this aircraft is such a hit or miss, get full uptier? You got constant Fox 3, you super bleed your FM because you still inherit Mirage 2000 old FM.
Get full downtier? Yeah you’re partying, but 3/4 of your team are Mirage F1 Zombers, if you’re not carrying, your team get instantly wiped out under 5 minutes because of this Zombers barely even know about BFM.
Honestly, this aircraft isn’t just victim of the powercreep, but its BR too, like, who literally played 13.0 France? You could just play the Mirage 2000C which have better BR and have better avionics too thanks to its MAWS, you could also play the -5F which had the most broken missile in the game, also with more CMs and much better MPRF Radar.
And since barely people playing this aircraft, your team either full of 12.0-12.3 Zombers, or full of 13.7-14.0 Fox 3 Carriers.
Like, although J-11/Su-27S have bad RWR, at least there’s so many people playing that aircraft, you could get a good downtier.
Like, the popularity of Mirage 4000 is almost half of J-11.
Mirage 2k old flight model was better for duels. It was overperforming in sustained rate at low speed which made it a low speed monster which is kinda what the mirage 4K is
Yeah but that age is over, during the old meta, indeed it’s the most fun aircraft besides being undertiered as hell.
With current meta, current Mirage 2000 FM is much better at high speed rather than old FM.
From my experience, mirage F1 premium are usually among the best performing top tier premiums. I’m currently helping a friend grind the tree through the premium and we both have a positive WR (even him who is average-below average). It’s not that bad.
I’ve also played the M4K and I do agree that even in slight uptiers (say 13.3), it’s very limited. But I wouldn’t make it go down in BR either. Maybe in a few months to a few years it will become great again as top tier increases to 14.7 to 15.0
Arguably should have 15.0 already.
I guess Mirage 4000 suffers the same fate of F-4E.
If it gets decreased in future BR Changes, it would be absolutely terrifying, but it also can’t be increased due to how severely handicapped its performance compared to its peer (I’m looking at you Mirage 2000 lol).
It needs a long time for Mirage 4000 regain its glory.
