Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

That i agree with, but it doesn’t cause me any issue tbh

What i mean is : in a VL launch, once the missile travelled 12km (burner is off since several seconds at that point), its speed is 900 km/h, making it unable to turn at 30G

DirectSupport might have more information on that one though, he deduced that from a magic II documentation if memory serves

Thing is the missiles knows when it is off boresight and when it is not,…

The game should refined the model in order to get a condition of launch range, and off-boresight at launch.

Because you’ll not use a MICA-EM for an off-boresight 60km launch.

The problem is how they choosed to model the missile and not the missile itself.

And they can do it as good as they have made the flight model, with 2 modes “Long-range”(don’t allow max pull until being close) / “Short-range”(allow max pull immediately)

I don’t think he deduced it from magic 2 documentation so much as he’s essentially stating that the Magic 2 required 1.25 mach airspeed to pull 50G’s therefore the MICA should require similar? I don’t recall the reasoning for the figure but it would have been translated well to the tech moderators internal report as that would be more comprehensive.

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yeah it was something like that.

In the meantime, i did an other test : 12000m, mach 2.1 and 20° loft, MICA still had a bit of energy.

It reached 5400 km/h before self exploding after travelling for 46.5s and 50.8 km. It would probably have had the energy to reach 60, but it self destructed before. I really believe they hard capped it at 50 km for some reason (50.8 to be exact) :

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Gaijin hating France is not new

In the air department i don’t feel too much “hate” tbh, although i think this is more of a money thing i would bet X)

That being said, at the time where MICA was introduced, asking for a long range missile AND the most busted thing at close range would have been a bit entitled imo.

I just hope it will follow the magic II route, being gradually buffed as the rest gets newer variants of their missiles. I would be fine with that

let’s talk about:
1- SEM - no magic-2 (not fixed)(being the only “recent attack aircraft” to not recieveing All-aspect missile)
2- Etendard IVM - 3years to get a radar + CCIP (fixed now)
3- Mirage III several inconsistencies (fixed now, or so afaik)
4- Magic-1 inconsistencies (fixed now, or so afaik)
5- Magic-2 IRCCM Being a Copapaste of R-73 for no apparent reason (while technically very different seekers)
6- S.530F (i saw one of mine going for my ally flying parallel to me at 1.5km on my side, while the target was in front of me 5km - that was years ago) & S.530D had several problems which lasted for years (now it is decent, but it wasn’t back then)
7- AS-30L still limited to 370m/s, when it is said to be between Mach1.3 (442m/s) to Mach1.5(510m/s) at impact
8- Mirage 2000-5F (insanely wrong both historically than capacity[never had 8 missiles])
9- lack of MB.152 variants in Techtree (which could have been a great addition of early WWII, and Marcel Bloch [MB.] was also Marcel Dassault after WWII, from which we do have several aircrafts)
10- Mirage 2000D RMV ahving Magic-2 - so wrong as there were no Magic-2 left for Mirage 2000D’s at that time, the last were used with the 12 last Mirage 2000C-S5-II)
11- SO-4050 Vautour IIB - still 9.0 with no off/def weaponary other than bombs, while IIA is also 9.0, with 4x30mm

and without annoting the lack of research for some specifics interceptors that have been prototyped :

  • SO.602X Prototypes
  • Mirage III Balzaz or IIIV
  • Mirage G.4 or G.8
  • Mirage 3NG asked as premium/squadron for a long time now
  • Nord Griffon II (with 2xMagic-1 and 2xDefa 30mm which have been the outsider of Mirage III and which is insane for it’s kind)

so many things gaijin could add for some “French Touch”

EDIT:
Some wants me to add :
the Combat flaps of Étendard IVM and Super-Étendard.

2nd EDIT:
“Don’t forget how Muti-Dart still has no CCIP despite other rockets having CCIP on the jaguar. Wouldn’t even hard to model it, games have shotgun reticles since the 80s…”

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They never fixed the Vautour IIN’s flight too

i’m not knowledgeable on this one ^^
Vautour are all pretty much the same for me

Don’t forget about both SEM and IVM still retain the broken combat flap which haven’t been fixed up until today. I must say, other the Mirage 2000 FM (and balancing), yes France Aircraft at sometimes still lacking.

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I really enjoy the new DEFA sounds, it’s much more punchy and sounds more like a cannon than whatever the mess they had before

The Vautour IIN’s bugged all flying tail has been fixed in the Firebirds update

how long ago did the as30l lose its fixed range of 10km? I clearly remember that it had the same limitation as the kh-25ml, and now I bought 2000RMV and saw that the range disappeared from the description, and apparently the range is now limited by timer of 24 seconds

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Pack up your bags boys, RAFALE IS COMING!

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the hammer is real, lets go

So with the coming of Rafale, will we see another Mirage 2000 buff? Or anything buff related to French Missile?

We might see AASM for the RMV. As for other buffs, I am still waiting for improvements on the MICA, and maybe a HDM for the 5F which only has HMS as of now

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we should remind the devs during the devstream about the mica yeah

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It’s finally the time for MICA to use its full potential, so it also can justify Mirage 2000 future decompressed BR.

Meh… W/o drag coed change it will also too slow