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Mirage 2000D RMV is not required to do such things, as said by others, the MICA’s are here for self defence only.
Yet, long range ability have been done through DATA LINK (through Link16), a “Mirage 2000-5F Vi” locks onto a ennemy and allows the Mirage 2000D RMV to go for long range or close combat range MICA-IR full ability from the Mirage 2000D RMV, as the required data are sent to MICA-IR thanks to the other aircraft.
Yet in-game No DataLink of any kind, no collaborative game of any kind as well.
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81 THOUSAND EXPERIENCE FOR 1 RANK 3 MODULE FOR MIRAGE 2000? Do they want me to play on two micas until retirement?!
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Guys, please write them a bug report, I think they confused 18 and 81
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I would like to disagree with the statement that “self-defense” in the 21st century means to attack the enemy when You can see it with Your own eyes. Modern battlefield for at least the last 30 years is BVR. Nobody wants to be seen. Everybody wants to launch missiles as soon as possible and go sideways to avoid any risks from the enemy. Relaying on 5-7 km “self-defense” is like 60-80s doctrine about how the A2A was fought.
That is why it is so weird for me to understand. Why give Mica IR to a plane that can’t use it to really defend itself at all in modern combat? Be honest with me, if RMV was against any modern F-16, F-15, F-18, J-10, Grippen, Su 27/30/34/35/37, MIG-29/35 (all of them have good air-to-ground capabilities as well), it would be dead in like 50 km before it sees anything. If so, it is the easiest to kill a modern plane actually used by one of the greatest air forces in Europe and maybe even the world (with Rafale being its main power).
The bug is specific to the helicopters. One day I’ll go other to bug report it.
First, to put everyone up to speed, for those helmets, we found 3 naming conventions :
- HMS : Helmet Mounted Sight. This refers to the missile aiming where you look at. Think of radar and missiles slaving. This was what the early Russian jets like the mig29 used.
- HMD : Helmet Mounted Display. this refers to a screen on the helmet that shows you different informations. This is what we currently have on the Tiger and Roivl something British helicopter
- HMSD : Helmet Mounted Sight and Display. This refers to a helmet that does both. Technically, the Tiger should have this (but currently does not slave missiles, only the 30mm turret). This is what the F16C, A10C, Gripen and more recently the Mirage 2000 RMV use.
Now, going over the different HMSD :
- The A10C and RMV uses the Scorpion HMSD. This can be proven by the Friend or Foe identification (green diamond on allies)
- The tiger, British helicopter, and AH1Z use the TopOwl HMSD (AH1Z can slave missiles but others can’t for some reason tho)
- The gripen and F16 use other HMSD
Now the French Mirages, including the RMV don’t use HMSD in the air force (as far as public info goes, because some say the RMV does from zoomed pictures of the pilots). However, some HMSD were tested, including (and next is not things I am sure about, only things I have seen around public infos and this forum) :
- the TopOwl-F (which is a fighter variant of the helicopter one). This one was tested earlier (since it’s older), and I believe was the one sourced for the addition of the -5F HMS
- The Scorpion HMSD, the one currently found in game on the A10C and RMV, was apparently tested on the 2000 as well
Now, both these are HMSD, but the devs never went around giving the HMD part to the -5F, which I personally find very annoying. I’ve asked @WaretaGarasu if he can bump up an older report made on it (since I don’t have the sufficient knowledge and sources to report it myself)
Going back to the bug I was mentioning on the Tiger TopOwl, this has to do with the projection of the lock rectangle when using HMSD in first person. In game, instead of staying fixed on the locked target/position, when you turn your head around, the rectangle will not stay on the target but drift a bit in the direction you are looking at, meaning that this rectangle is not giving correct data to the user. It’s very minor, but still enough to annoy me
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And yet we barely see any BVR fighting happening in the most recent conflicts. We don’t see any Air to Air engagements at all be it in Russia or Israel vs Iran.
I think you have a big misconception on the use case of the Mirage 2000D variants. The 2000D is not a plane that should ever be used for air engagements. The only reason it’s such an agile airframe is because it was cheaper to develop this plane from the existing Mirage 2000 airframe than create a brand new one.
The mirage 2000D is an ground attacker aircraft, in basically the same category as the A10, the JH-7…
Ideally it would operate away from any aerial threat, unless escorted by fighter Mirage 2000-5F or Rafales (or Rafales would just do the jobs themselves).
The RMV itself is not a complete change of the aircraft. It’s like the F16 MLU (RMV = MLU in French), which only added some more modern capability to the plane. For the 2000D RMV, it’s more modern ground weaponry and being brought in the SCORPION ecosystem. To become more efficient at what it does, not create an entirely new aircraft. And since Magic 2s are being removed from service, they replace it with MICA IR.
Also, the MICA IR still remains a BVR missile, and could be used as such using the L16 or the French SCORPION specific datalink to guide it’s missile through other radars (such as another fighter or an AWACS), which was already successfully tested with the MICA on the Rafale
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Why can’t we see it? The Su35 is regularly shot down by Migs 29 and SU 24.
You’re reading the book for a MiG-29B with export radar, do you even know how 9-12 differs from 9-13?
Learn that you’re wrong about it,…
Ukraine / Turkish vs Greek “engagements”, or even Latest Irak War showed otherwise
those are easy exemple to found and search about (but there is more than those)
MICA-IR : It’s an IR missile,… and so you tell me you can’t use it?
no radar are required for it’s use.
HMD are used on Mirage 2000D those can visually slave the missile, and in such it’s intended to be perfect for Close range applications.
in which the 50G and IRCCM of MICA-IR are predominant and useful (High Kill Probability Rate)
You seem really confuse about the missile and it’s use, as well as how Modern combat should/are done today, as :
shows you’re lack of knowledge,… Mirage 2000D are specialized aircraft in A2G role, and are NOT Multirole Aircraft,…
In such, it’s deploiement in battlefield (recently shown in Mali, with Barkhane) is always escorted by a pair of Air-Air intended mission from Multirole fighters such as Rafale C/B (M are Navy Rafale, so it’s possible but unlikely), or Mirage 2000-5F
Even USA Multirole Figthers aren’t send to mission without escort when the skies are contested,… that’s within US Doctrine
(“and Russia?” you would say : “well, it’s Russia,… dude”)
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To my knowledge, my statement isn’t wrong - for example, there are some publicly available reports (f.e. https://csbaonline.org/uploads/documents/Air-to-Air-Report-.pdf ) stating what I said before. At least in general, BVR or ground-to-air systems, are far more important in aircraft losses than short-range A2A encounters.
I do agree on part that M2KD is a ground attack specialist and not an A2A fighter.
What I do not understand is modernization to Mica IR from Magic 2 (I know the French want to decommission this missile, but they have a lot of them on stock). M2KD won’t be in service for so many decades for them to be afraid there won’t be enough Magics in stock.
The second part of my post isn’t about improvements of Mica IR in comparison to Magic 2 (which is obvious), but the whole reason to use it on this plane with this radar if it can’t use TWS or A2A Search at all. Bear in mind that the RMV upgrade is being done simultaneously to increasing the numbers of Rafale who can do easily both (A2A and A2G).
And the last thing about escort. It’s a well-known strategy from WWI, but in modern combat there are way fewer airplanes. That is why even ground-pounders have to be able to defend themselves to some degree. If French thinks that M2K D can survive in somewhat A2A by only relaying on escort, it’s in my opinion, wishful thinking. Or they intend to use it only when they have air supremacy.
they don’t,… missiles are comsummables,… Rocket Booster (which are the engines) aren’t a forever thing.
most Magic-2 that were produced were destroyed because of this and the addition of newer & better models of missiles (MICA-IR)
Mirage 2000D RMV (Rénovation Mi-Vie : Mid Life Update) happenned now 2023, they’re in service since 1993, so they should at least remain until 2040’s (also because Rafale isn’t produced fast enough, Armée de l’Air is pushing dassault Aviation to increase the production)
inform yourself more, and stop making assumptions.
Read God-dammit,… you don’t understand how missiles modes works but you make assumptions on how the missile will be used!!!
again,… MICA-IR IS NO RADAR MISSILE!
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I’m sorry, a lot of potential to LOSE? Since when?
As far as I can tell the Mirage 2000 is one of the worst “4th gens” FM wise.
Maybe you just have an easier time controlling it in sim?
Daddy chill
I usually change the control mode on the ARB as well, so I haven’t had many complaints about the FM on the Mirage 2000.
I apologize if I made you uncomfortable.
When I say it is the worst, I am not discussing instructor limitations.
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Crazy statement lmao
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I have to disagree, the Mirage 2000 has one of the best flight models of the 4th generation aircraft, it is an aircraft that is extremely difficult to handle and use correctly but in the hands of someone who knows how to use it it is incredibly effective.
Personally in the game it is one of the aircraft on which I am the most effective, on the Mirage 2000D RMV that I have just unlocked, I won all my duels against all the F-15s and F-16s in simulations.
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