F-5s and maybe mig-21s
Any F-4 Phantom (or maybe not the C) is able to outturn Mirage F.1C.
MiG-21 outturns you, and so does J-7’s.
F-104 (which outruns you instead) might be the last one you can outturn,… you’ll not be able to kill any true fighter.
Other than that, you’ll have to focus on attackers like aircrafts…
I prefer using a Mitsubishi F-1 than a Mirage F1C for Air-Combat if there is no Magic-2 on board.
I know i did,… yet Magic-2 is essential to Mirage F.1, because of it’s POOR turnfight abilities…
I’m not sure I understand your point, but:
- From an Air RB pov, 2 Magic 2 >> 4 9Ls, even more so once Magics get buffed again.
- SE FM is also much superior to A10 and SU25 FMs
- For reference, SU 25T sits at 11.3, with 2 equivalent missiles and worse FM.
Really I see no reason to give Magic 2s to Super Etendard, unless you want to make it unplayable.
SuE is not a problem and can be competitive, even against 11.7 CAP fighter Jets.
F-4!?! lol man those are so easy to out dogfight in a mirage f1!
Well good job you’ve found newbs,…
I can assure you F-4 is a Death Threat level for Mirage F.1
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Don’t know what you mean by CAP but you’re seriously coping if you honestly believe it can and should fight things such as J7E, F14A, Mig23MLD,etc. Not even mentionning F16s and MIG29s lmao
if it is for you it’s probably you that are the issue, because even Defyn says that you can dogfight Phantoms in a F1 nowadays
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Believe what you want to,… i know it can,… i’m not taking that down.
The mirage f1s have weird thing where when you blackout it doesn’t really lose its maneuverability so just keep pulling and there is nothing they can really do when you launch a magic at a crazy angle in to their hot tailpipe.
Idk. I don’t often play the mirage F1, but to me it seems like it flys quite well at above mach.7. You can definitely win a dogfight against an F4 granted you are not at ground level, as the F1 isn’t made for going vertical (due to the poor engine)
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DEFYN is for me anything but a reference,…
You all swear by him,… with all due respect, he also is able to say wrong things,…
The current turntime of a Mirage F.1C is still higher than a F-4E,…
Try it out you’ll be surprised,…
Thanks to no maneuvrability,… yes we all know.
Plus F-4’s don’t have any all aspect AIM-9s.
did you really said that Defyn isn’t a great source and then went straight for the turn time argument ?
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I just said DEFYN is not always right,… and it horryfies me that so many players thinks is he’s always right,…
And yes i got to turntime,…
To turn, you have to rely either on the fact that you:
→ Can bleeds your energy, thanks to AoA → which F4 beats you at
→ Can sustain better rates than your opponnent, thanks to good engine output, or said differently thanks to TWR → which F4 beats you at
Therefore yes, F-4E and later variants beats your ass in Dogfight indefinetly,… at same piloting skills.
So yes, loosing MAGIC-2 on Mirage F1 is definetly gonna kill the aircraft unless it reaches a BR of 10.3,…
You forget that the magic 1 is practically the same missile as the magic 2 except its not all aspect which in a dogfight vs f-4s doesn’t matter a lot.
I agree with 1 point: it doesn’t matter.
Having Magic-1 in a dogfight with an F-4 phantom is the same as having dead weights for a match of Boxe,…
You’ll never be able to use such weapon, unless you came unknown from your ennemy.
Have you played with magic 1s lately?
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