Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

issue is it will use the MICA, i don’t think it is right now a good idea to let a plane with such a new missile being a 75 bucks premium. I can’t see gaijin making this move until the next year.

Anyway, i think it should be on the tree because the plane is still 100% french design, is something a bit fresh over the usual Mirage 2000 and would bring a 2nd Fox 3 carrier until the Rafale come. It would be a perfect addition for the June update because it carry the new Mica em and is the only new plane available with this until the Rafale. (unless you want a sort of copy paste with the 2000-9)
it would also make the F1CT line a bit more interesting by having something quite unique at the end of the line. After all, it’s the ultimate Mirage F1 made by the French industry.

Exported Mirage 2000 however are not as unique as the F1 MF2000 so i agree they can be premiums. I think we all agree on the fact that making unique aircraft premiums, like the F20 per example, is a bad thing ^^

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I think the next thing we will see is a change to 50G, but this is only when they’ll introduce combined manueverability along as a feature with AIM-54 as well benefiting from it. 50G should allow it to be used in a dogfight properly.

The last two changes are reductions in IFOV size, as well as seeker shut off, but they should allow you to use the Magic 2 in front aspect head-on against flaring targets.

New poll dropped

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possible Rank 8 premiums for France, at 11.7 - 12.0, are in my opinion :

  • Mirage 2000C S3 (Late) ( if the 2000C-S4 and S5 move up to 12.0 )
  • Mirage 2000EG ( i’ve chosen the greek one because of the RDM-3 radar and Super 530D )
  • Mirage 2000D-R2 ( if the RMV is already added in the mean time )

this one i think is unlikely but i put it anyway, because why not ?

  • Mirage 4000 (early), with M53-2 or M53-5 engines and maybe a worse weaponry.
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Also, aren’t the Mirage 2000 EG able to shoot AIM missiles as well?

Hmmmm. Scratch that, it’s MICA or Magic only:

The article explains really well the various potential loadouts and radar differences between the EG and 2000-5 variants in Greek service.

Note: any combination of 6 MICA is possible (EM, IR and, in the future, NG).

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mrmjVxlrZzhf
MICA EM should have reduced smoke

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Zng3ldg9IMBr
MICA-EM spins out when launched at low speed

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Here’s a nice visual representation of how much better the magic is after the maneuverability buffs, courtesy of Jaek_ over on YouTube.

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I’m okay with this, but then UK should never get a Mirage or Rafale due to their indian subtree

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At least HMD will matter now ^^"

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And they don’t need those in their subtree

We don’t have a indian sub tree

For now, apart the Jaguar IS.

That would make alot of people mad

Here a very WIP stat of Fox 3: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fy9ney7nxzzlc1.jpeg

Ye, this update is definitely refreshing for French Air
Here some clip of Magic 2 buff: Keep in mind, on these clip with the current (air superiority update) setting missile launch, the missile would NEVER hit, (because pulling too late). On dev-server, the magic 2 is pure buff.

(1st: It would never hit at those angle in Live server. On live i would need to wait before launch and pull+ lead and help the missile. In this case on Dev, i have more margin to launch this missile, don’t need to lead and help the missile)

(2nd: Not optimize limit boresight rear shot on fast moving aircraft already far away from me: Hit.
This a typical exemple which the missile would never Hit this on live server. On live, the missile would already burn all its fuel and would chase hopelessly the aircraft, would never hit in this case.

(3rd: Look at this angle shoot, but most importantly how close is the target. A buffed magic 2 FINALLY is able to hit a fast maneuvring aircraft at 350 to 450 meter. Guys, it was literaly IMPOSSIBLE to hit this in live server.)

https://streamable.com/69wu74
(4th: Typical case, where in live the missile would pull way too late to hit the aircraft, and where you will need to pull more and be more align to the target before shooting. Not the case anymore. You can look how the missile is leading off-rail, catching the su-27.

(5th: Guys. A magic 2 hitting a target at 3km… From Rear. Yes you hear well. 3km, from rear.)

So a much welcome update needed for magic 2. btw i had no problem to lock on target outside of 5 km range. The max lock range i had with Magic 2 was 12 km. But remember it is a dev-server, could be a bug, not intended or be nerfed, not finals etc etc.

With this, now we have the S530D which become finally reliable. Not perfect, but reliable and usable again. If you remember my previous post (month or weeks ago) on these clips it would be “50/50 shoot and pray”. Look at this:

Sound stupid right? Well yes, on live server, there was a chance this missile would not hit this easy target. (the missile would probably relock on an ennemy missile instead of staying on target.

TLDR: Things to note this update:

  • TACVIEW in War Thunder, easily one of the best feature added this update. Will help to understand why some things is not working (like missile), tracking some issues. And will be even easier to find a cheater.

  • Magic 2 buff is very good, and can only be better since it still lack of its IRCCM level of aim-9M (and 50g, but not gonna lie, based replay with the TACVIEW i saw the missile hitting 50g, could be a bug, or the Gaijin “version” of 50g) lock range buffed, drag seems even more reduced too.

  • S530D Reliable again, about time.

  • 2 stage - multi stage afterburner is now indicate ( Wep indication going to 102 to 110%), a welcome addition, for air RB and SIM.

  • Addition of Alpha-jet which means, the next step of modern aircraft for France is either a new modern version of Mirage 2000 D or Rafale series. Gaijin can still stop addition of more modern of aircraft, or add less know french aircraft (like fouga Cm-170, or other VG30 series/D.520 series)

  • The WIP fox 3, already show MICA EM is already strong. Which mean Mirage 2000 will still be Meta, when the fox 3 will be officially introduce. (On my part, only the RDY radar was a problem on live, dev, and fox-3 test. I still hope for an RDY update.)

  • Outside S530D reliability, the new ACM automatic radar is nice addition, still buggy with HMD trouble to lock at close range (with the HMD i prefer to have a manual mode)

  • Mirage 2000-5F still miss its TWS all-aspect, hope it will updated at least when the fox 3 officialy come
    no specific radar update for the RDY, still “easy” to break the look.

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Gonna drop my two cents
Magic 2 feels really satisfying on dev server. Rear aspect kill up to 2km (usually how I fire it) is 100% guaranteed now. The missile starts the tracking basically off the rail.

Didn’t have chance to try 530D though

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And it still not entirely fixed to IRL abilities,…

I’m sorry but can you for once be happy with changes to the missiles?
Magic 2 received some significant performance boosts, 530D is working much better and it still isn’t good enough for you?
Talk about being ungrateful

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