R-73 has much more range, and arguable better irccm irl. Magic 2 vs 9m irl idk though. Magic 2 vs r73 is odd, r73 better off bore ability and more range but magic 2 is close enough for most engagements with better irccm
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I have seen this discussion point with Russia themselves claiming 50km…range for R-73…Just as a point both MICA IR and ASRAAM do not publicly claim a range of 50km
As for superior IRCCM it is debatable, flare rejection for 9M is pretty good as stated by the RAF.
Ukraine have also stated the 9M is better when using it on their Sea Drones.
As for the R-73 being on the levels of the IIR missiles in service is just fanciful.
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MICA IR public figures actually are in this range category tho. I am not sure for ASRAAM official sources but it’s likely around this as well. That aside, I agree with your point. Even from a 15km high altitude launch with the missile gliding to the ground I would not bet for r73 to be capable of achieving this kind of range
I’d be interested if you shared the informations you have on that. I did not know that Ukraine operated 9M on their sea drones. My guess on the performances of the IRCCM of the 9M is that it’s highly capable against non manoeuvring targets (ie long range kamikaze drones, cruise missiles… which some have had flare pods integrated and drop them at regular intervals). I don’t know the usual rules of engagements of the sea drones, but considering its a short range sea launched system with limited radar capabilities, this kind of targets is probably the most common type they engage.
R73 has a 19km launch range when fired at high altitude sub sonic front aspect. Now imagine launch range when its against a Mach 2 plane fired from a Mach 2 plane head on, that would be 30km. It’s really not that unbelievable.
There are claims made by Budanov the Aim9s superiority to the R-73. It was used in that Su-30 shoot down.
However Russian sources claim it was a 9X that was used on the drone…
here is an image of a Magura with 9Ms
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Greetings Mirage 2000 community, has anyone got news on the Mirage 2000-5 MFD’s? I think they might be a bit outdated in comparison to other aircraft in-game which currently have a lot more details in their displays, such as the J-10, Su-30SM or JF-17.
Current MFD layout of the Mirage 2000-5 variants.
I recently tested it, and became intrigued as to why it has very few MFD modes compared to what the real Mirage 2000-5 has in reality, has a bug-report been done about these integrations? I’ll add a few pictures below to state my point.
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what would be unbelievable is the R-73’s seeker ability to maintain such lock at such distances.
maybe fixed with the R-73M/R-74, but clearly not for the 1984 variants that we do have in-game right now.
nice pictures, but there is several M2K-5F standards
what are the standard those images you provided come from:
M2K-5F SF1
M2K-5F SF1-C
M2K-5F SF1-IR
M2K-5F Vi
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When launched from a Magura, so very low speed and likely bouncy launch, probably isn’t good for TVC.
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Thank you very much for the clarifications, it’s been bugging me a lot the fact that MFD’s look a bit empty.
To be specific, which is the variant the Mirage 2000 in-game is modeled after?
current one in-game is an amalgation of “-5F” + “-9” from the UAE airforces
so probably something close to the “-5F SF-1” standard (since there is some RDY functions we seemingly don’t have yet, neither does we have the MICA-IR), but with “-9” A2G weaponnary
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Oh so it’s another of those cases…
Well, I guess Data Link is out of the window, though the only thing that would remain would be the rest of the modes shown.
I guess for research sake one could take it as the “-5F SF1-IR” which would cover both the radar upgrade and the MICA upgrade as well, right?
I don’t know if the boats are moving when they attack or are already vectored into the likely flight path of detected Russian patrols from Crimea.
better to go for the “pure” SF-1 as it can be implemented for both the -5F and -5EI (they’re the same at that point)
as it will be harder to know about the SF1-C differences in the RDY radar (and so the changes on HUD and Screens).
also because i don’t see Gaijin adding the MICA-IR anytime soon for the Mirage 2000-5F (a thing the -5EI never had, so never will)
and yes, the Vi standard is out of the question,…
Unless, gaijin gets itself a worktime to add Link-16 (and alike) for premade Squad Mates (not for random squads), pushing further the squadplay type of gameplay
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I see, for now it seems they’re reserving the Data Link towards top-tier only aircraft.
Anyways, thanks for the information, hopefully it won’t take me an eternity to make a report in regards to the MFD’s of the Mirage 2000, though it isn’t the only aircraft I’ll be reporting in regards to MFD integrations haha.
Have a good day.
is currently not a real think,… (at least not the Link-11 / Link-16 / Link-22 / MIDS and alike: that can provide informations and radar cueing)
the only DataLink in-game is the confirming guidance from launching aircraft to the Fox-3 (ARH) missile that goes for a target outside/inside the on-board missile sensor range.
in- game DataLink will provide a better accuracy of Fox-3 missile, and avoid “Blue On Blue” kills
such data-link were on-boards much older aircrafts than Mirage 2000-5F
the in-game DataLink is very similar to the 2T link that you can found about the SM-1 missile:
Does that graph include seeker limitations or is it purely kinematic ranges?
You would typically expect IR range to decrease a bit when directly head on to the target.
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It’s kinda hard to update an aircraft QoL after a quite while lmao, M2K HMD still use Russian despite it can be unique one.
Why? Because Gaijin.
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you’re sure of that?
To be more precise it doesn’t have an HMD only the HMS.
IRL it tested the jet fighter topowl HMSD
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