Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

Now all we need is one with MICA IR, and I will be content. Though a questionable way of handling it.

It would have nice if they split this out into a “late”-esque moniker, instead of chucking it into this one. However, it could only realistically receive MICAs (from memory one of the reasons for the upgrade) in game if it received more air to ground payload that could contend in the environment it would find itself in IMO. I would like a silly little strike mirage with silly little micas and a payload that at least allows it to feign effectiveness.

Honestly, would have been a bit easier to take this change if they removed the strange additions to the 5F on the face of it with the argument that it was proposed (if they can demonstrate it) and would facilitate greater accuracy on different plane. Overall, the change is better than it is worse to my mind, as it facilitates not using the Rafale if you’re inclined to a competent strike platform, but it could have been done better.

The RMV update is a bit of a “cheap” update; the government doesn’t want to spend a lot of money on it, and it doesn’t actually add much.

The main areas of the update are:

  • Integration of the GPS link (which is why it gains the additional GBUs; the wiring remains the same, but it can now also transmit GPS coordinates).
  • Integration of the Mica IR, the only truly new weapon on the aircraft.
  • Update of the weapon system to be able to carry more than one type of air-to-ground weapon at a time (because yes, although it’s not modeled in the game, the basic 2000D can only carry one type of air-to-ground weapon at the same time because its computer only has one configuration cassette slot).

That was the government’s request. Now, if they want to give us the “improved” version proposed by the manufacturers (and the government in some respects), they can, but it will have to be upgraded to a BR.

The proposal included:

  • A new engine (not necessarily more powerful, but one that would have lower fuel consumption)
  • An RDY-4 radar (an equivalent of the RDY-2, which would have also received the capabilities of the Anemone)
  • The same weapons as on the Rafale (AASM, MICA IR/EM, Exocet missile, etc.)

Essentially what I’m saying would have been nice instead of these changes. Would have been easier to fudge the extra AASMs without making it wonky.

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i’ve noticed that gaijin tend to ignore that issue for all vehicles, m2k c couldnt carry radar missiles + bombs but in game it can. so eh

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I would assume these would use belly racks? But how would that be possible without using ejector pylons which are standard for belly launched missiles?
AFAIK the magic 2 doesn’t use ejector pylons

@vizender would know more. I’m gonna reference one of his post

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This was shared by the French YouTuber Meumeu in one of his live streams/videos around the time of the plane’s introduction but he also states that he is not allowed to show the documentation since it’s still currently classified.

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Welp, after trying out Mirage 4000, although now it had better defensive capabilities thanks to its extra 332 large calibre chaff, unfortunately it’s still such an unfortunate aircraft. I don’t think the FM aren’t the main problem, but its matchmaking.

Like, the matchmaking for this aircraft is such a hit or miss, get full uptier? You got constant Fox 3, you super bleed your FM because you still inherit Mirage 2000 old FM.

Get full downtier? Yeah you’re partying, but 3/4 of your team are Mirage F1 Zombers, if you’re not carrying, your team get instantly wiped out under 5 minutes because of this Zombers barely even know about BFM.

Honestly, this aircraft isn’t just victim of the powercreep, but its BR too, like, who literally played 13.0 France? You could just play the Mirage 2000C which have better BR and have better avionics too thanks to its MAWS, you could also play the -5F which had the most broken missile in the game, also with more CMs and much better MPRF Radar.

And since barely people playing this aircraft, your team either full of 12.0-12.3 Zombers, or full of 13.7-14.0 Fox 3 Carriers.

Like, although J-11/Su-27S have bad RWR, at least there’s so many people playing that aircraft, you could get a good downtier.

Like, the popularity of Mirage 4000 is almost half of J-11.

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Mirage 2k old flight model was better for duels. It was overperforming in sustained rate at low speed which made it a low speed monster which is kinda what the mirage 4K is

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Yeah but that age is over, during the old meta, indeed it’s the most fun aircraft besides being undertiered as hell.

With current meta, current Mirage 2000 FM is much better at high speed rather than old FM.

From my experience, mirage F1 premium are usually among the best performing top tier premiums. I’m currently helping a friend grind the tree through the premium and we both have a positive WR (even him who is average-below average). It’s not that bad.
I’ve also played the M4K and I do agree that even in slight uptiers (say 13.3), it’s very limited. But I wouldn’t make it go down in BR either. Maybe in a few months to a few years it will become great again as top tier increases to 14.7 to 15.0

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Arguably should have 15.0 already.

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I guess Mirage 4000 suffers the same fate of F-4E.

If it gets decreased in future BR Changes, it would be absolutely terrifying, but it also can’t be increased due to how severely handicapped its performance compared to its peer (I’m looking at you Mirage 2000 lol).

It needs a long time for Mirage 4000 regain its glory.

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Mirage 4K can become so much ever simply by giving it an all aspect radar.
Same with mirage 2kc5, although that thing is already really good at 12.7

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Getting a MAW would be good for more awarness.

Yes. Sadly I don’t think the M4K was meant to have a MAW, especially with how soon the project development ended. Sure, it still flew up till the 90s, but at that time it wasn’t really still being developed, dassault just wanted to do some testing for the rafale

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The MDI should have an MPRF mode, so the 2kc5/4 would be covered, no idea about the 4k as they use the RDM-3 not the RDI.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ShGCiWcevn4r

RDM is an older design based on the cyrano iv architecture, it’s supposed to be a PD radar, but shouldn’t have HPRF modes at all
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9JUuUpEjdg8J

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Depending on the ceilling I can work with the MTI, if they model it like the cyrano 4m it would be less annoying than the head on modes that it currently have