The early charts showing super 530 carried on centerline pylons were S530F
Lenght of Super 530F: 3.54m
Lenght of Super 530D: 3.80m
So a difference of lenght of : 26 centimeters
Considering pylons could not be moved:
When they switched to the use of Super 530D, they encountered problems of various reasons(damaging S.530D tip of the 2nd missile when firing the 1st one is one of the most probable problem), that’s why they added the abilities of carrying the S.530D on middle wing pylon instead
Funny how the M4K was essentially too late to be desired for SARH missiles and then too early to have MICA and other more modern missiles baked into the design. I suppose a fantastic example of bad timing in history.
Essentially yes.
Sadly enough, there was not much budget to apply modification on the frame in order to allow more S.530D in the same way they did on Rafale
Saudis bought tornado (i mean wtf but normal in these kind of deals) and iran imploded so everything got messed up
US was lobbying against a French/EU F15 too
But we got the rafale thanks to it
Wrong thread?
that’s not really a fair comparison because you can use r73s at far far far closer ranges
Rafale contract was already signed during the development of the Mirage 4000, that’s why Dassault did not even bother trying to sell them the Mirage 4000
Yes, but considering the meta extra ccm range is more important that close range dogfight performance.
is it me or this plane can’t 1-circle fight anything like it should…
Wrong the Mirage 2000 and 4000 programs were built in as a solution in between 3rd gen and 4th late gen.
The Mirage 4000 have been tested and evaluated but the French AdA (ADAE today) qualified the aircraft to be too costly in flight time/cost.
The mirage 4000 have been proposed to several other countries but as with every aircraft France do not used, country that could have been interested in this aircraft were reluctant to be the first user of the aircraft, and feared to get into a phase of correcting issues of earlier aircrafts.
The Rafale program was designed to follow and replace this Mirage Programs, but the true start of studies was not contracted before the prototype of M4K started to fly, due to the problems of Eurofighter programs in which France was part of at the time.
I’d prefer 8 R-73 to 8 Magic 2.
On lonegr ranegs Magic 2 is easily flared while it is not efficient enough on close range.
On very clsoe range I hvae had betetr rsults with R-60M recently.
If it was fixed you’d feel the opposite way… 8x 50G missile with superior IRCCM to anything in the game currently on fighters
We are many to know this but there is more important issue to fix for the Hard Working members of the french tech report makers. If you want to see these animated do a report yourself. Usually these things as they are details don’t require lots of sources(but you need at least an official one : book or something) + are usually passed and implemented quite fast, usually.
Unfortuantely we are at least still 2 months and a half away from such a fix. Because i somehow feel like 50G + Flare Decoy Rejection or smaller IFOV or Both + shorter guidance start delay + shorter Fuze delay will all be implemented at the same time in a major update. While they really could immediately buff Guidance start delay and fuze delay honestly but gaijin be gaijin…
Agree, less reaction time and also less burn time really makes Magic 2 stands different than R-73. I got easy kill from side aspect and from front aspect at higher range due to less burn times, enemy can’t react to invisible missile.
While R-73 are very noticable when it launched, making people who really pay attention hasting to pre-flaring it.
sorry but tornado has been first for a long while.
Super 530F and Super 530D datamine show that they now have a break lock max time of 20 seconds instead of 3 seconds, patch isn’t live yet.
Thanks for that datamine this means i can finally loose lock and reacquire my target.
Finally having time to do it is great.
