Im really REALLY hoping for a Mirage 4000 premium because I love the M2K and Rafale, but not enough to subject myself to any of the French air tree’s premium, never mind normally grinding it
A 4000 Premium will just disrupt any possibiltiy to have a French aircraft on par with Early F-15’s/Su-27’s,… until Rafale
At best, we can add some UAE Mirage 2000-9 (and then delete stuff that shouldn’t be on -5F,…)
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The aircraft never flew in french operation nor would the setup that comes to the game be true to life as it didnt even have an RWR and I dont think a repeat of the YaK-141 should ever happen, the jet fits all the criteria’s for being a premium and would be a fantastic premium to boot.
As for complaints of not having anything “on par” with the “early” F-15’s or Su-27’s, this literally isnt unique to France.
Germany, the UK, Sweden, and Italy all lack something “on par” with those aircrafts, if by “on par” you mean “a heavy fighter with larger weapon loads and similar performance”, as the EFT is beyond them in capabilities while the Gripen is more F-16 class than F-15/Su-27 class. France and the Mirage 2K are in the same boat as the Gripen while the Rafale is in the same boat as the EFT.
Also, considering the proposed performance and weapon loads, the Mirage 4000 doesnt seem quite “on par” as “superior in most/every way in WT” in hindsight, so its pretty disingenuous to be parading it as a “solution” when it would in itself be causing more problems for everyone else than anything. It should be a premium once we are already into the Rafale airframe in-game.
That isnt to say the M2K is a bad aircraft, and if thats what you’re implying so as to
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The first chart is an early 80’s one when the second one is from the 1987 Paris air show, using theses two pictures alow us to see what is possible and considered, and if you look at it with more attention that just throwing it away like an angry children that don’t like to be contradicted, you can see a lot of common points in the ground attack weaponry, pods and fuels tanks, it’s nearly identical.
In fact even in the air to air weaponry, they are not really conflicting each other, because the only thing different is that the two middle wing pilon are not used for air to air weaponry in the first when it’s the fuselage that is not used in the latter. So theses two charts can be combined to have a better picture of what would be possible to mount on the Mirage 4000.
Also, not a single Super 530 was ever mounted on the Mirage 4000, so unless you provide a picture with the Super 530 mounted (and don’t confuse it with the AS30L), what you are saying about the “picture of reality” is pure fantasy. What allow us to know about the possible loadouts of Super 530 are the two graphic i’ve just provided.
I would also add that the 14 “advanced missiles” they are speaking about in the 1987 picture is what would become later the MICA (it does not say just IR missile like you are thinking it is), it was still in early development and was not yet named MICA, but it is what they where thinking about. In the end the Mirage 4000 was cancelled in 1988, so theses triple missiles pods where never developed and the first MICA was fired 4 years later, in 1992.
We can say that theses 14 MICA where, in 1987, a wish, not something ready, so for war thunder this is irrelevant.
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The thing about your point is that you clearly said that you want it without having to grind the tree, so we can see the bias behind the point you are making.
An original, unique and maybe competitive vehicle should NOT be behind a paywall, especially a 70 bucks one. It belong in the tree, where it will still attract money by making people paying a more or less copy pasted premium of something more common, like the current Mirage F1 C-200, to get it. When you are buying a premium vehicle, you are buying a way to grind faster, not something unique.
By wanting to put the Mirage 4000 behind an outrageous paywall, you basically want to rob all the French main of one of the planes they are waiting for.
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I want the M2K and the Rafale, the M4K would just be a really interesting vehicle to purchase and use to grind.
“Maybe compeitive” lol. A TWR exceeding that of all other 4th gens, a low wing loading, ludicrous missile loads, its dubious this thing could be balanced if it ever came prior to the introduction of gen 4+ aicrafts. As for “unique” thats LITERALLY what premium vehicles are supposed to be, unique vehicles, prototypes, special variants, etc… not lawn chair copy pastes and camo net copy pastes of TT vehicles.
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Too bad it’s gonna be an event vehicle and likely far more than $70 because of this booty mentality.
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real. IS7 2.0 incoming
Well, you’ll be waiting over 2 years since we’re no where near rank 9.
Speculating too much on Mirage 4000 is quite pointless as this plane is literally a lego kit and Gaijin can assemble it however they want only thing that will be the same for all configs would be the Airframe for tech/weapons it’s up to gaijin to give something good or pure crap.
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Well this is you’re point of view, Gaijin does not seems to think like that nowadays given what premium they are adding, and i’m glad they do, because it’s a shame to have some unique vehicules that are only available if you spend a ridiculous ammount of money, just for one of them.
In practice very few people will get them just to have them, because the main thing about a premium is not the vehicle, it’s the fact that it allow you to grind faster : this IS the thing you are buying.
Also you should compare the Mirage 4000 to the others planes of it’s class : the F15 and the SU27. Against theses things, it get more complicated to say how the 4000 will do, so yes “maybe competitive”.
What you are complaining about is the next powercreep that will come one day or another with the F15 and the SU27, and i hope that the 4000 will come at the same time to mitigate it for the french tree.
The Mirage 4000 will be either DOA or barely treading water. I’m not holding out any hope outside of using it in ground RB. I sleep until MICA arrives gg france.
It’ll be neither of those things.
Mirage 4000 will be good.
Magic 2 is meta BTW, you just want France to be OP.
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Ah yes, this OP France)
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So,… we have here people that expect
To see MICA on a M4K → delusionnal, never installed whatsoever, and MICA being Classifed, Gaijin will make it another Gimped missile with no accuracy,…
To see M2k-5F avionics → delusionnal, the aircraft is similar to what should have been the Mirage 2000C variants
To see it as premium/event → sadly possible, but,…
Sadly this is the ONLY aircraft that can keep France outside of Rafale until other late Gen 4+ arrives in the game.
So it’s either this aircraft on Techtree, or the addition of Rafale M F.1 / Rafale C F.2 that would be left as possible
To see it an overpowered aircraft:
It can have S.530D and Magic’s-2, in any way it wouldn’t be “OP” considering MICA aren’t a thing for this aircraft, and that it can’t Any Fox-3 (which should be coming soon)
So you either have a good amount of IR missile, or a fair amount of SARH missile that will lead you to your death since FOX-3’s aren’t requiring any guidance to hit and kill.
To see it a DOA plane:
Still not,… the aircraft itself would rely on his ability into close range fights → the TWR + Delta wing + Magic’s-2 would make it fairly capable of being similar to what was the F-5E for it’s own BR → a dogfighter mostly using R.550-II magics,…
(A F-20 tigershark could be compared to the M4K, and would still mostly win since the F-20 would recieve Fox-3’s that Mirage 4000 would/should defend from)
All i see in most comments, is a bunch of crap, ngl and idc for censure at this point.
But you all guys need to understand that i’m disagreeing with your point of views, to me the aircrafts , would be balanced with Mirage 2000C avionic suite, and up to 10 Magic-II ability
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few days ago I bought ‘Super Mirage 4000 - LE RÊVE INACHEVÉ’ pdf and read it…
there was some interesting photos and storys.
S.M.4000 cockpit
Doesn't have weapon system
900mm of Radar antena
I was unable to find RWR panel in cockpit photo and mention about CM.
If M4000 will introduce to game, it would be like Yak-141.
this is not that happy, but this is truth.
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Come on, you don’t have to be rude to make your point, you have your point of view and you have the right to explain it, but stay polite.
The fact is that yes, MICA for the Mirage 4000 is delusionnal, but on the other hand you can’t say “10 magics for the Mirage 4000” when we can clearly see that the fuel tank and 2 magic pod can’t fit in the middle wing pilon without being in conflict with the outer wing one.
Look at theses pictures, look the space between theses two pilon, and look at the space this pod take, it’s not possible unless you violate the laws of physics. However it is possible to take two Super 530 under the fuselage, it fit, and they thinked about it.
Even in a balance point of view, the two Super 530 under the fuselage make sense, it would give the Mirage 4000 4 Super 530 and 4 Magic 2 if we forget the double magic/fuel tank pilon : same setup than the F15. With the double magic pilon it mean 10 missiles, like the Su27, but with 6 Magic and 4 Super 530 instead of the 6 R73 and 4 R27 that can carry the Su27 in a similar configuration, although the Su27 can take 4 R73 and 6 R27 per example, so it is more versatile in it’s choice of weaponry.
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This ^
it saying it had a 600mm radar antenna, but that could’ve been raised to 900mm, not that it had a 900mm radar antenna
sorry, I’m not good at french. maybe I was wrong