Mirage 2000 at 12.3 and the F16A at 12.7?

infact, no one mentioned the ADF, MLU or even block 15 which are the F-16As capable of carrying the sparrow but they only mentioned “F-16A” which is what the block 10 is called in WT while the ADF is called “F-16A ADF”

again? which plane wasn’t mentioned in this thread?

If they were going to specify one block, they would’ve. F-16A is not a specific block.

It’s Mach 1.22 btw, its rip speed are around 1512 km/h, more than that your aircraft will disintegrate.

They up it recently? I remember 1.12 being as far as you got before ripping apart at 1.16

well it’s been a long time, several updates after Drone Age, maybe in between of Sky Guardians and La Royale. The FM was also changed recently in the Seek and Destroy Update, that makes Mirage 2000 a one circle fighter now.

Not true. You can’t corkscrew the 530D.

F-16A is a UFO lmfao, you want it at a lower br?

Yes you can corkscrew the 530d. You can even corkscrew the r27 if you time it right. It’s just a lot harder than corkscrewing a sparrow

i think the biggest factor is that it does only get 4 missiles

i have had the 530D pull its good 30g’s and it has done 180’s to hit people, never had an AIM-7 do that

They increased it in 2023.

Maybe that would be the case for S530F and R530
But from my past experiences with S530D, that doesn’t seem to be the case
I’d take S530D over the Sparrow any day

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They work pretty well out to 2.0-2.5km

Below 2.0 they are a guarantee kill though.

One tap flare in side aspect then you lose the lock.

Either way, Magic 2 still much better than R-73, it’s because the initial FOV of Magic 2 are much smaller.

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You can but it’s more WAY more rare to see. I’ve fired probably 2000+ of those missiles at people and the amount of times someone’s had the foresight to do that is less than 10.

irrelevant, you can still fly low to avoid both of them which is enough. both can be defeated that way.

additionally this point is made for alvis wisla who used this same logic to try and say that the r27er is equal to aim-7
seems like he wanted to avoid this topic when confronted though. understandable when your own flaws have been pointed out infront you on a platter. @AlvisWisla

His posts are the opposite of mine, and my posts refute madseventeen’s posts.

That has really not been my experience from those ranges.

cant make x claims with y logic and expect to have people ignore it though

He didn’t use my rationale.
And there’s no such thing as my logic, I use the logic of reality and cold data [which gets me called unfeeling sometimes].

He used the rationale of speed, which he gained from a YouTube video [it’s not even his idea to use speed].
I used the rationale of range + maneuverability + host radar capability all combined, because the thing that matters most is host radar.
A 530D launched from a Mirage 2000C is weaker than a 530D launched from a Gripen [hypothetical missile launch, obviously the Gripen uses improved AIM-7Es].