Yep, I heard from someone who plays the M2Ks in Sim, they said they hate fighting the Tornado F3s because they just run away instead of commiting suicide trying to turn fight :D
M2K redlines well before you get any respectable speed at low altitude. I think mach 1.12 is as far as you’ll get, from memory. But your plane is falling apart at that speed, so slower is where you generally end up.
The problem is that we have reached a point where if you enter a game below 1BR you are a God and if you enter a game above 1BR you are a sitting duck. You can no longer separate 4th generation fighter aircraft the way you used to. An F-16A is, in practice, much inferior to an F-16C, even though both are F-16s. A Mirage-2000C is, in practice, much inferior to an M-2000-5, even though both are M-2000s. A MiG-29A is, in practice, much inferior to an MiG-29SMT, or even a G, even though both are MiG-29s.
I believe that the correct thing to do (so as not to make some aircraft useless, hangar-wearing, as there are many today) even knowing that the gaijin will never do it, would be:
Separate the first 4th generation jet fighters from previous generations (with some exceptions).
And within the 4th generation, separate the initial ones that carry junk weapons, or in small quantities, from those that carry a bunch of modern and efficient weapons.
And still within the 4th generation, separate those that can carry SARH from those that cannot (with the exception of the F-14 and its junk ARH).
In the future, separate the 4th and 4th+ generation aircraft from the 5th generation, which, at this rate, will arrive within 2 years or less.
About my experience with Mirage-2000 and F-16 NETZ.
I got the M-2000 from the event, and I love “Nez Pointu”, any opponent of his tier or below will be in serious trouble if they face him, in fact his SARH missiles are not good, so in the BVR head on arena he may have some disadvantages, even against older aircraft, but if it gets to DOG FIGHT, he is a monster, the Magic II I have nothing to complain about, they have never let me down, the DEFAs cause a lot of damage, no 3rd generation aircraft or below beats him (assuming that both “pilots” know how to play), if you are not flying a more modern frame aircraft like Mig-29, Su-27, F-16, F-15 or JAS-39 you will probably lose. Before the introduction of mass ARH missiles, when you faced, especially Su-27s and F-15s loaded with missiles, you already felt a bit obsolete, like a lightweight boxing champion moving up to the heavyweight category.
My experience with the F-16 (netz) was never good, rare moments of fun, you always faced swarms of aircraft with a bunch of missiles, all of them better than yours, the only moment of equality was in the dogfight, rare moments.
the F-16A block 10 doesn’t have radar missiles
The Mirage 2000 is a flying brick with current FM. Yes it does have good one circle performance, but with a slower aircraft you’re facing, you are always forced to play two circle fight when you have run out of missile and need to kill with a gun. Because there’s no much Mirage 2000 in an average match, playing alone in a Mirage 2000 would depends much on how your team performing. I’m always being one of the player that survive to the last match, but most of the time my team are also wiped out, so my FM wouldn’t be good for fighting 1v3 due to only being superior in one circle, but if I fly the F-16A, I can easily sherdding those 3 aircraft with my even superior FM. But, I do agree, with Mirage 2000C countermeasure size increased, it should have higher BR since the chaff pod itself is a large calibre (despite saying it’s just chaff), but lowering the F-16A to 12.3 I don’t think that would be the best since also the F-16A player are abundance, while the Mirage 2000 player are lesser.
The solution is decompression, nothing more, but before the next winter update, with the upcoming BR Change, I don’t think Gaijin would decompress again the BR of Aircraft, maybe they will do, when the winter update is coming.
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No one mentioned Block 10, nor does it matter.
lmao sure.
Super 530D despite the statscard are (LYING LMAO) saying 5 Mach, it is barely 5 Mach in a game. And before your missile going to the sustainer mode, Super 530D WILL ALWAYS LOSE against AIM-7F/M. I’m not joking, AIM-7F/M are faster in short range, and due to Super 530D are heavier, it is also slower to turn despite the statscard (AGAIN ARE LYING LMAOOO) saying it is a 30 G Missile. Although it is good when your missile (again) entering sustainer mode.
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infact, no one mentioned the ADF, MLU or even block 15 which are the F-16As capable of carrying the sparrow but they only mentioned “F-16A” which is what the block 10 is called in WT while the ADF is called “F-16A ADF”
again? which plane wasn’t mentioned in this thread?
If they were going to specify one block, they would’ve. F-16A is not a specific block.
It’s Mach 1.22 btw, its rip speed are around 1512 km/h, more than that your aircraft will disintegrate.
They up it recently? I remember 1.12 being as far as you got before ripping apart at 1.16
well it’s been a long time, several updates after Drone Age, maybe in between of Sky Guardians and La Royale. The FM was also changed recently in the Seek and Destroy Update, that makes Mirage 2000 a one circle fighter now.
Not true. You can’t corkscrew the 530D.
F-16A is a UFO lmfao, you want it at a lower br?
Yes you can corkscrew the 530d. You can even corkscrew the r27 if you time it right. It’s just a lot harder than corkscrewing a sparrow
i think the biggest factor is that it does only get 4 missiles
i have had the 530D pull its good 30g’s and it has done 180’s to hit people, never had an AIM-7 do that
They increased it in 2023.
Maybe that would be the case for S530F and R530
But from my past experiences with S530D, that doesn’t seem to be the case
I’d take S530D over the Sparrow any day
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