Mirage 2000-5F at BR 14.0: Is its current placement still appropriate?

Missile kit is the most important aspect of a top tier plane (since it gets you kills and is needed for any engagement)
Defensive kit comes second, then flight performance/radar

Keep in mind that Su-27SM was already 14.0 material even with the three-sector radar limitation.
That radar was/is comparable to the MICA Mirage’s radar

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Well it is what it is.
I am more efficient with Kfir with it’s AESA radar than with M2K-5 at 14.0.

13.3 matchmaker vs 14.0 matchmaker…
Quite the difference.

Kfir also gives lots of range to it’s Derby.

Kfir is absolute slop man
It would lose a joust to the F-2A ADTW man
Just 4 garbage missiles and mirage 3 flight perf
It was mediocre at 13.0
Now it’s garbage

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I do not quite agree with your order of importance. It also rather shifts depending on the plane or the situation you find yourself in which is why MICA regarding short range is the cherry on top.

No more no less.

Eurofighter at 14.3 still suffers from it’s potato radar…

Unfortunately range isn’t what matters in wt’s meta

It really does.

Because its peers all have AESA radars

You underestimate the power difference between the best mechanical and the worst aesa radar

It’s not as bad as it used to be because of the amraam buffs but it’s still not that good

Not necessarily.^^
Again due to the speed and radar as well as the battle rating your efficiency increases.

No i just pointed that out myself…

You’re comparing a plane who’s peers all have mechanical radar bs one who’s peers all have aesa

They’re not the same situation.

It still won’t matter
Kfir is completely garbage unless it fights droids

Have you seen how bad the pull on its missile is?
I’d be willing to 1v1 any Kfir C.10 with even a 12.7 MiG-29 or early hornet and feel very good about my chances

Without relying on multipath

You would be surprised how many Rafale, Gripem and F15 die to my Kfir. Derby or DEFA.

I nearly won a dogfight against JF-17 and SU-30 at once. I’m still cross with my trigger finger for that one.

Yes, EXACTLY.
The situation is not the same which is why I do better in Kfir over all.

What else am I supposed to tell you?

Kfir at 13.3 is better than Mirage at 14.0 according to my own experience in random matches Air Rb.

You underestimate Derby, overestimate MICA and ignore the boost to sitiational awareness on Kfir.
With that radar you might get AIM-9C to work.^^

And yes at 13.0 it was even better which is why it now is 13.3.

I usually fly high especially since multipathing is not all that reliable anymore. It also should not be.

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You would be surprised how many people I’ve won dogfights against in top-10 airframes while flying a MiG-29
A statement like that is completely irrelevant because there’s way too many factors involved and you’re not comparing vehicles objectively with decent players as pilots


Sorry, how exactly am I underestimating a missile that was meh even before all other Fox-3’s got buffed in an environment where every other Fox-3 besides that one received massive buffs in pull and range?

😭

You do better in Kfir because:
A: you’re killing droids
And
B: you’re a droid yourself

Nono, the Kfir’s radar is very good
The issue is that your offensive kit is completely garbage
It would be mid even at 13.0
It’s the worst Fox-3 ingame (besides fakour/Phoenix) and you only get 4 of them without even an IR missile to back them up
Those IR missiles you do have don’t even have irccm

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And what response do you expect from me following a post like that?

I don’t change servers btw. between Kfir or Mirage matches.

Ok?

Ok.

What utter nonsense am i seeing here

If that is the case it just means that the players you face are very bad at the game
In no real situation a kfir will win against a rafale unless the person playing it has a genuine skill issue

The only thing that is better is the radar ill give you that
Everything else the mirage 2000 just does it better

The situational awareness boost the kfir gets is nice but the mirage gets a better defensive kit and offensive kit overall
Maws
3 times the amount of countermeasures the kfir gets
Better missiles especially since they got buffed they can go past 20 km now and are even more deadly in cqc and you get 6 of them
Magic 2 which are among the best close range ir missiles in game

Kfir gets what a good radar
Sub optimal derby no irccm missile
Only 4 missiles
Poor fm for the br since you cant keep up in prolonged dogfights
72 regular countermeasures that only drop from the right side of the plane

Am confident enough to say this since ive played this plane and i was very excited to see it come to the game since i liked the kfir back then when i got it
Your experience may have been good in the kfir c10
It doesnt mean the plane is good
Maybe it will be slightly better once it gets derby er and python 4

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I was refering to better results in the context of it’s battlerating and matchmaking.

I was not talking about any duel scenarios against players of equal skill either.

If you took away the MICAs, I think it would be more suited to BR 12.7, or maybe BR 13 alongside the Mirage 4000, given its HMD and excellent maneuverability.

True, it should be matched with the F-16PoBIT/V and the Superhornets at least

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