Probably not, but when looking at 13.7 and 14.0 in a vacuum, they could relatively speaking
With a decent decompression, I would expect them to sit higher relatively speaking than they do currently.
Ah yes.
Sry I can only disagree there.
Not really, I rate them equal to 14.0 F-18s (besides the one without HMD)
Su-27SM should absolutely be at the same br too
idk man, you’re disagreeing with something that has been proven to be true for the past two years.
Ask any highly skilled player, they will tell you that long range is really quite irrelevant
Id place them slightly higher.
If 14.0 was the max BR and nothing currently at 14.3 or 14.7 was in-game.
Then Id probably place the Mirage 2000s. F-2A. F-15J/E, Su-27SM at 14.3
Well Harrier can not move down.
Yes decompression would be appreciated.
And I explained already why M2K-5 could move down.
Other couls too.
Seperating the late 4.5+ gens from the 90s and early 2000s once would be quite rrasonable.
F-15J(M) is an F-15C copy-paste with AAM-4s (worse than AMRAAM now so)
I think you mean F-15I
You just made a blanket statement and complained about lack of range (which is an irrelevant factor anyways)
You have not. You have not given a single reason why it needs to move down.
and if it moves down to 13.7, you have yet to give a single reaosn why 90% of what is it at 13.7 shouldnt then move down to 13.3 or why everything else at 14.0 should remain at 14.0
I would generally somewhat include mayself in those players. Though I prefer lower tiers at the moment.
I just slaughtered a Rafale at 18+ km. Just because I had more missiles and he was forced to notch and then to go cold which is when he died.
Long range doesn’t mean 100+ km.
It is beyond the sweetspot of MICA in this case.
The counterplay of attacking and defending matters.
MICA is perfect below 15 km.
But that is not the exclusive range people are fighting in.
I was just looking at the stat shark figures, F-15J seems to be performing wierdly well at the moment, but that might just be Jap mains being good.
Ive also just realised ive been looking at August data this entire time, Mirage just gets stronger when you look at Sep data. Greek one is doing really well
Long range is 20km+ (maybe 25km+)
Medium is about 9-20km
Short is within 9km
IRL range doesn’t matter, this is in-game
Also ingame I can not agree with the ranges you jsut gave.
Especially against MICA or R-77 slingers you want to fire earlier than that.
idk man, go ask any top player.
I was near the top-200 at one point before taking a break (which nuked stats) so I think I have a good idea on how this works
I think I am not too terrible myself. Though the top tier slug fest is not where I do best.
But I would never want to fight a MICA or R-77 slinger below 20km without surprising him or launching first at longer range.
You’re not going to end up doing anything from 20km+ man
Any competent player has so much time to just go defensive
Yeah, Id consider long range anything above 25-30km.
But that does change heavily on the aircraft in question. Something that can be high and fast is more effective than something lower and slower, even with the exact same weapon.
I play almost exclusively top tier
And then is disadvantaged somewhat.
You can of course do yourbest to keep up the pressure just like the defender will try to gain the iäupper hand.
Rafale is quite good at the letter but M2K is nowhere close to that.
Notch 1.3s and done
Not a significant disadvantage,
Being forced defensive is mainly an issue within 15km or lower