Military Aviation Ammunition Visualized and Overall Effectiveness

The shells and bullets are more or less based on a 1:1 scale.

7.7-7.92mm LMG Incendiary ammunition compared to 12.7 and 13.2mm HMG rounds

It’s clear how ineffective rifle caliber bullets are in comparison to even heavy machine gun bullets, since they can only carry little chemical contents.

.303, .50cal and 20mm comparison vs. Bf 109 engine from 200yd

12.7-15.2mm HMG Incendiary rounds

20mm Incendiary rounds compared to HMG

Japanese Navy 20mm Incendiary chance. Model 3 and 2 are identical other than using a different fuze.

20mm API ammunition compared to 15mm and .50cal API

20mm Explosive and Explosive-Incendiary rounds. 15mm shell for comparison

15mm HEFI-T fragment dispersion. 40cm from target at 960m/s and 800m/s impact velocity


20mm Mineshell damage to Spitfire wing:

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20mm Mineshell damage against He 111 horizontal stabilizer

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23mm shells compared to 20mm shells.

Blast damage comparison against Bf 109 wing

30mm Explosive and Explosive-Incendiary shells

P-47, probably struck by 30mm Mineshell

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37mm shells and larger. 30mm Mineshell for comparison.

Blast Test container vs. Spitfire wing:
Location of container inside wing (7ft / 213cm from wing root, 3" / 7.62cm in front of main spar)

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Damage of blast:

59g Torpex + 2g PETN booster


38g Tetryl + 24g Flash powder

58g RDX/TNT 55:45

High structural damage but the main spar isn’t compromised other than a large hole in the center of it, as the blast escapes through the thin duralumin skin.
A portion of the skin is blown aways while a large part “balloons”, deforming from the pressure.

30mm Mineshell damage to Spitfire wing (Type B)
HE-T with 72g HTA/Torpex + 3g PETN


HE with 85g HA 41 + 3g PETN


Damage of NS-37 and NS-45 shells against a Bf 109 and Ju 87 wing:

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NS-37 hole diamater based on wing area destroyed.

  • Entry: 30cm (Bf 109), 32cm (Ju 87)
  • Exit: 76.5cm (Bf 109), 67cm (Ju 87)

NS-45 hole diamter:

  • Entry: μ=58cm (Bf 109), μ=66.8cm (Ju 87)
  • Exit: μ=87.8cm (Bf 109), μ=91.3cm (Ju 87)
Blast comparison to 30mm Mineshell:

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Fragmentation of a N-37 HEFI-T shell:

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Out of ~660g recovered fragments from of the ~690g body&fuze, 84.42% (~557.2g) are effective steel fragments with a weight of above 0.5g.

  • 9.4% (62g) with a weight between 0.5-1g
  • 15% (99g) with a weight between 1-2g
  • 11.4% (75g) with a weight between 2-4g

Larger fragments, like parts of the nose fuze and tracer tail assembly, can penetrate armor protecting fuel tanks or pilot and cause lethal damage to fuel tanks.

Comparison of fragment distribution of 30mm HEFI and HEI (Mineshell):

30mm_HEFI_vs_Mineshell_fragmentation

Mineshells, for the most part, only produce a large number of small fragments with a weight of only up to 0.5g, which quickly lose their velocity over a short distance.
Regular explosive rounds produce a much higher number of effective fragments.

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Assessment of (aluminized) explosive content against an aircrafts wing:
Ammunition Explosive amount Damage in m² Ratio m²/g Notes
12.7mm MDZ-3 3.2g PETN & Flash powder 0.0095m² 0.0030 Exit hole
20mm OZ 5.6g A-IX-2 0.02m² 0.0036
23mm OZ 15.6g A-IX-2 0.196m² 0.0125 Exit hole
20mm Mineshell 18.6g HA 41 ~0.35m² 0.0188 Mineshell
37mm OZT 37g A-IX-2 (+4g PETN) 0.46m² 0.0112 Exit hole
45mm OZT 52g A-IX-2 (+4g PETN) 0.62m² 0.0111 Exit hole
35mm Test Container 59g Torpex (+2g PETN) ~0.73m² 0.0120 Test Container
30mm Mineshell w/ Tracer 72g Torpex (+3g PETN) ~1.29m² 0.0172 Mineshell
30mm Mineshell w/o Tracer 88g HA 41 1.75m² 0.0199 Mineshell

It’s noticable that Mineshells achive a higher destruction ratio than thick walled explosive rounds, presumably because less energy is used to break the shell casing appart.
The actual damage is even larger, as bulging or balloning of the structure isn’t considered, only structure that is actually torn appart.
Another explanation would be the detonation inside the wing, even though the 35mm test container, which was detonated inside a wing, didn’t cause as much damage as Mineshells.

With the exception of the 12.7mm Berezin and 20mm ShVAK, all other projectiles seem to follow a similiar destruction ratio.
The small explosive content of the ShVAK and Berezin are probably unable to cause enough pressure built-up inside a duralumin wing to cause heavy blast damage from overpressure.

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Required number of hits for the destruction of a four engined bomber (B-17), based on German assessment:
Mineshells vs. 4 engined bombers

Caliber Shell weight Required hits Explosive content Total content Blast damage ratio Blast damage Fragmentation weight Notes
15mm 57g 75 ~3.0g PETN ~225g PETN 0.0036 0.81m² ~3975g Explosive shell
20mm 92g 20 18.6g HA 41 372g HA 41 0.0188 6.99m² ~1450g Mineshell
30mm 330g 5 72g HTA + 3g PETN ~375g HTA 0.0188* 6.77m² ~1250g Mineshell
30mm 330g 4 88g HA 41 352 HA 41 0.0199 7.00m² ~960g Mineshell
30mm 270g 7 48g Torpex + ~2g Tetryl ~350g Torpex 0.0188* 6.58m² ~1540g Mineshell (ADEN)
50mm 1520g 1 335g HTA + 12g PETN 347g 0.0188* 6.52m² ~1150g Mineshell
55mm 1466g 1 420g HTA + ~12g PETN 432g 0.0188* 8.14m² ~1000g Mineshell

The 15mm explosive shells bring roughly 4kg of fragments into the target. Mineshell less than 1.5kg, while producing much smaller and less effective fragments.

The killing power of explosives shells comes mostly from fragments that can damage fuel tanks, causing fuel leaks or fuel fires.
Structural damage is minimal in comparison.
Mineshells on the other hand, deal very high structural damage for minimal fragmentation.

The 20mm ShVAK would require 45 hits to bring roughly 4kg of fragments into the target, while the structural damage would be 0.91m².
Since the shell uses A-IX-2, it would have increased incendiary performance.
Additionally, effective fragments would also be larger, reducing the required number of hits.

For a Hispano it would be 34 hits, with at least 1.35m², potentially more, structural damage.
That is equal to a 22.5cm diameter hole, per hit.
But due to the incendiary effect and larger fragments, the realistic number is going to be lower.

An overview:

Cannon Caliber Shell weight Required hits for 4kg fragments Explosive content Total content Blast damage ratio Blast damage
ShVAK 20mm 96g ~45 5.6g A-IX-2 252g 0.0036 0.91m²
Hispano 20mm ~131.5g ~34 ~11g Tetryl&Flash powder 343g 0.0036 ~1.35m²
NS-23 23mm 201g ~22 15.6g A-IX-2 343.2g 0.0125 4.29m²
Type 5 30mm 350g ~13 39g Pentolite 507 0.008* 4.06m²
M4 37mm 608g ~7 ~49g Tetryl ~343g 0.008* 2.74m²

It becomes apparent that 4kg of fragments for 20-37mm shells compared to a 15mm shell doesn’t make sense, since a light 15mm shell only produces few effective fragments.
→ Shell wall thickness of 2.5mm compared to 4-7mm.
At the same time the explosive content, for 4kg fragments, is close to or even exceeds that of Mineshells.

From „Aircaft vulnerability and overall effectiveness“ we know that 37mm M54 HEF-T is practically as effective as 30mm Mineshells (88g HA 41), or even slightly superior, when it comes to destroying a B-25 with structural damage and damage to fuel tanks.

If we consider it takes on average four 37mm hits instead, that would be roughly 2200g of fragments and blast damage of roughly 1.6m².
So the blast damage is considerable lower than Mineshells, but the fragments can deal lethal damage to fuel tanks, wing spars and control cables, while the slow burning tracer composition can ignite fuel. Additionally, engines might fail after a while from damage to oil systems or direct hits.

If we adjust the table for 2200g of fragment weight, with the assumption that 20mm and larger shells produce more effective fragments than a small 15mm explosive-tracer shell, we get the following results instead:

Cannon Caliber Shell weight Required hits for 2.2kg fragments Explosive content Total content Blast damage ratio Blast damage RoF (Synchronized) Firing time with 5% accuracy
ShVAK 20mm 96g 25 5.6g A-IX-2 140g 0.0036 0.56m² 800 (600) RPM 37.5s (50s)
Hispano 20mm ~131.5g 19 ~11g Tetryl&Flash powder ~209g 0.0036 0.75m² 600 / 750 RPM 38s / 30.4s
M39 20mm 100g 25 12g RDX+MOX-2B 300g 0.0125** 3.75m² 1500 RPM 20s
NS-23 / NR-23 23mm 201g 12 15.6g A-IX-2 187.2g 0.0125 2.34m² 600(480) / 900 RPM 24s(30s) / 16s
Type 5 30mm 350g 7 39g Pentolite 273g 0.008* 2.18m² 500 RPM 16.8s
M4 37mm 608g 4 ~49g Tetryl ~196g 0.008* 1.57m² 150 RPM 32s
NS-37 / N-37 37mm 735g ~3 (3.2) 37g A-IX-2 + 4g PETN ~123g 0.0111 1.37m² 260 / 400 RPM 13.8 / 9s
NS-45 45mm 1065g ~2 (2.2) 52g A-IX-2 + ~4g PETN ~112g 0.0112 1.25m² 260 RPM 9.2s
BK-5 / Mk.214a 50mm 1820g ~1 (1.5) 250g HTA + 12g PETN 262g 0.012 3.14m² 50 / 160 RPM 24 / 7.5s

Mineshell time on target:

Cannon Caliber Number of hits RoF (Synchronized) Firing time with 5% accuracy
MG 151/20 20mm 20 630 (553) RPM 38.1 (43.4s)
MK 213 20mm 20 1200 RPM 20s
MK 103 30mm 4 / 5 450 RPM 10.7s / 13.3s
MK 108 30mm 4 / 5 600 RPM 8s / 10s
MK 108+ 30mm 4 / 5 850 RPM 5.65s / 7.06s
MG 213 30mm 5 1000 RPM 6s
ADEN 30mm 7 1200 RPM 7s

The single shot effectiveness of a 37mm is roughly 3-4 times higher than a 20mm Hispano HEFI or Incendiary shell.
Mineshells and 37mm HEF-T have a more immediate effect, compared to smaller shells, that might only destroy the aircraft due to not making it back to base from the damage sustained. Crashing vs. crash landing.

If we go by this table, 20mm Mineshells aren’t optimal for destroying large, four engined bombers, as setting them on fire with incendiary or explosive-incendiary rounds yield similar results without the drawbacks of Mineshells.

20mm Mineshells should be more effective against fighters, that will go down more quickly from the structural damage sustained.
While 30mm Mineshells have a clear advantage over smaller and larger shells in killing bombers, due to their low weight but high destructive power.

The Type 5 30mm HEF shell effectiveness is probably lower, since it’s missing a tracer or any other incendiary material.
But this might be offset by the use of HEFI ammunition with large incendiary filler or additional 20mm Incendiary shells.

Larger cannons, like the NS-45 or BK 50 deliver an even higher fragment amount into the target, requiring even less shots for a kill.

The NS-45 would have had a high chance to destroy a twin engined bomber, like a He 111, in a a single shot.

The 50mm Mineshell increased the destruction potential further, greatly increasing the likelhood of a single shot being enough to destroy a bomber instead of 2. Important due to the low fire rate of the weapon.

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For large shells with Tetryl and Pentolite I chose a blast ratio of 0.008 compared to 0.011-0.0125 of aluminized explosives. Based on the result of the incendiary blast test container, comparing Torpex to RDX/TNT.

For 30mm Mineshells with HTA the same blast damage ratio as 20mm Mineshellls was chosen.
Both were calculated from area damage of Spitfire wings.

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MOX-2B uses ammonium perchlorate as oxidizer, which is much more powerful than barium nitrate.
Resulting in in more energy being released. The resulting blast damage should lie in the same category as 23mm HEFI, using just RDX+Aluminum. But the blast should theoretically even stronger.
Thus the same 0.0125 modifier is used, compared to ShVAK and Hispano shells.

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Incendiary probability for different projectiles against P-38s fuel tanks
The data is based on an empiric formula, from firings against a P-38, with various US calibers.

Therefore the probabilities are just rough estimate based on projectile weight, speed and filler.

In case of explosive ammunition, the effectiveness could greatly change, depending how close it detonates to the fuel cell, as additional explosive filler isn’t considered.
As such the light Soviet 12.7mm MDZ and Japanese Ma-102 have comperatively low fire chance, even though they are technically capable of dealing substantial damage, carrying more explosive filler than incendiary.
But they are also more likely to explode too far away from a fuel tank to perforate it.

Small and light rounds, or at insufficent velocities will result in negative probabilities, so the formula isn’t applicable.
But it shows that such calibers, like LMG bullets, are very ineffective in setting fires and would require already damaged fuel tanks to be able to set them on fire.

The German 13mm Incendiary shell only achives moderate probabilitiy at very close range (100m).
While at longer ranges the probabilitiy drops heavily, due to the combination of low muzzle velocity and poor ballistic performance, reducing the velocity quickly at range.

Large incendiary filler can compensate for low muzzle velocitiy, while both speed and projectile weight (size) are a key factor in effectivness to cause fires.
At 800yd (732m), both the .50cal M20 API-T and M23 Inc bullet have the same velocity, but the M23 retains a much higher fuel tank ignition probability, due to it’s large filler.

30mm projectiles and larger are most likely going to set fires, even while holding very little incendiary filler, since they are able to cause substantial damage to fuel cells, simply by their large size.

Even the small and slow Ho-155 shell is heavy enough to most likely cause lethal damage, when striking in the proximity of a tank.

The greater the chance, the greater the sustained damage and severity of the fire and the more lethal a hit becomes.

Larger explosive shells can of course also cause fuel leaks with indirect hits, which can be more easily ignited from secondary hits to the plane.

Additionally I added a modifier for incendiary filler. Which isn’t actually based on any scientific data but might help to distinguish between more or less effective incendiary elements.
It should also be noted that the ballistic data is for the most part merely a rough estimation, and most likely not 100% accurate.

Since the formula was derived from tests against P-38s, larger targets, like bombers, would most likely be more difficult to get set on fire. Especially by smaller calibers.

~400yd (366m)
Ammunition Velocity m/s Shell weight g Filler weight g Filler Type Filler modifier Probability Shell behaviour
.303 Incendiary (B Mk VI) 480 10 0.45 Flash powder 1.00 - Penetration
4x .303 Incendiary (B Mk VI) 480 40 1.8 Flash powder 1.00 0.15 Penetration
4x .303 Incendiary (100m) 660 40 1.8 Flash powder 1.00 0.41 Penetration
AN/M2 & M3 .50cal - - - - - - -
.50al M8 API 710 42.9 0.97 Flash powder 1.00 0.37 Penetration
.50al M8 API (100m) 820 42.9 0.97 Flash powder 1.00 0.49 Penetration
.50al M8 API (1000m) 460 42.9 0.97 Flash powder 1.00 0.01 Penetration
.50cal M20 API-T 720 40.4 1.17 Flash powder 1.00 0.40 Penetration
.50cal M1 Incendiary 720 41.3 2.2 Flash powder 1.00 0.53 Penetration
.50cal M23 Incendiary 792 33.2 5.83 Flash powder 1.00 0.69 Penetration
M20 (800yd) 566 40.4 1.17 Flash powder 1.00 0.20 Penetration
M23 (800yd) 566 33.2 5.83 Flash powder 1.00 0.45 Penetration
12.7mm Berezin UB - - - - - - -
12.7mm API 680 49 1 Flash powder 1.00 0.40 Penetration
12.7mm API-T 710 46 1 Flash powder 1.00 0.41 Penetration
12.7mm HEI (MDZ-3) 650 38.5 1.3 Flash powder 1.00 0.32 Detonation
12.7mm Breda & Ho-103 - - - - - - -
12.7mm Breda API 600 37 1.6 WP 1.00 0.28 Penetration
12.7mm Breda API-T 620 37 2.5 Thermite 0.90 0.38 Penetration
12.7mm Breda/Ho-103 HEI 600 36 1 Flash powder 1.00 0.17 Detonation
12.7mm Ma-102 600 32.2 1 Flash powder 1.00 0.12 Detonation
13.2mm Type 3 HEI 660 47 1.3 Hexal (RDX + Aluminum) 0.80 0.37 Detonation
MG 131 - - - - - - -
13mm HEFI-T 475 34 0.3 Thermite 0.90 - Detonation
13mm Incendiary-T 475 34 2.2 Flash powder 1.00 0.11 Penetration
13mm Incendiary-T (100m) 661 34 2.2 Flash powder 1.00 0.39 Penetration
Hispano - - - - - - -
20mm HEF-T 635 120 2 Tracer compound 0.50 0.68 Detonation
20mm M96 Incendiary 630 122 10.8 Flash powder 1.00 0.93 Penetration
20mm M97 HEFI 650 131.5 2.3 Flash powder 1.00 0.83 Detonation
20mm Hispano HEFI 650 131 5.7 Flash powder 1.00 0.91 Detonation
20mm Hispano SAPI 650 134 11.6 Flash powder 1.00 0.95 Penetration
Jet 20mm ammo - - - - - - -
20mm M24 M58 HEFI 655 110 11.8 MOX-2B 1.20 0.95 Detonation
20mm M39/M61 M56 HEFI 610 100 10.7 MOX-2B 1.20 0.91 Detonation
Experimental .60cal ammo - - - - - - -
.60cal T32E2 Incendiary 900 74.6 5.96 Flash powder 1.00 0.93 Penetration
.60cal T39 API 900 74.7 2.59 Flash powder 1.00 0.86 Penetration
MG 151/20 - - - - - - -
20mm HEFI-T 525 117 2.3 Thermite 0.90 0.66 Detonation
20mm Mineshell 470 92 18.6 HA 41 0.80 0.81 Detonation
20mm Incendiary-T 525 117 10 Flash powder 1.00 0.87 Penetration
MG 151 - - - - - - -
15mm HEFI-T 700 57 1.3 Thermite 0.90 0.51 Detonation
15mm Incendiary-T 700 57 4.9 Flash powder 1.00 0.75 Penetration
ShVAK / B20 - - - - - - -
20mm OFZ 550 91 3.9 Incendiary Composition 1.00 0.71 Detonation
20mm OZ (Early) 540 96 3.2 Incendiary Composition 1.00 0.69 Detonation
20mm OZ (Late) 540 96 5.6 A-IX-2 0.80 0.74 Detonation
20mm OZT 575 96 4.13 A-IX-2 0.80 0.73 Detonation
20mm BZ (API) 540 96.5 2.8 Incendiary Composition 1.00 0.67 Penetration
Ho-5 - - - - - - -
20mm Ho-5 HEFI 480 84.5 3.7 Flash powder 1.00 0.59 Detonation
20mm Ho-5 Ma-202 465 80 8.7 Flash powder 1.00 0.69 Detonation
Ma-202 (100m) 650 80 8.7 Flash powder 1.00 0.86 Detonation
20mmType 99 cannons - - - - - - -
20mm Type 99-1 HEF-T 450 128 4 Tracer compound 0.50 0.58 Detonation
20mm Type 99-2 HEF-T 560 128 4 Tracer compound 0.50 0.73 Detonation
20mm Type 99-1 HEFI mod 2 420 127 3.7 WP + Inc Composition 1.00 0.64 Detonation
20mm Type 99-2 HEFI mod 2 530 127 3.7 WP + Inc Composition 1.00 0.78 Detonation
20mm Type 99-2 HEFI mod 4 530 130 5.7 WP + Light Alloy container 1.00 0.84 Penetration
20mm Type 99-2 HEFI Model 2 530 125 12.5 Flash powder 1.00 0.90 Penetration
NS-23 / NR-23 - - - - - - -
23mm HEFI-T 530 196 11 A-IX-2 0.80 0.94 Detonation
MK 108 - - - - - - -
30mm Incendiary 350 330 140 Thermite 0.90 0.99 Penetration
30mm Mine-Incendiary 350 330 8 Flash powder 1.00 0.89 Detonation
30mm Ho-155 - - - - - - -
30mm Ma-301 500 240 20 Flash powder 1.00 0.98 Detonation
30mm Type 5 - - - - - - -
30mm Incendiary 620 354 27.5 WP 1.00 1.00 Detonation
37mm shells - - - - - - -
US 37mm HEF-T 520 608 5 Tracer compound 0.50 0.98 Detonation
USSR 37mm HEFI-T NS-37 740 735 37 A-IX-2 0.80 1.00 Detonation
USSR 37mm HEFI-T N-37 590 735 37 A-IX-2 0.80 1.00 Detonation
JP 37mm Ho-203 HEFI 450 440 8 Flash powder 1.00 0.97 Detonation
JP Ho-204 HEFI 555 440 8 Flash powder 1.00 0.99 Detonation

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Likelyhood of striking a 109 fuel tank and setting it on fire from behind at 400yd (366m)
Example: US .50cal AN/M2 firing M8 API

400yd was determined to be the effective range of US .50cal bullets fired from the aircraft AN/M2 with a dispersion of 4 mils for 75% of rounds fired and 8 mils for 100% of rounds.

75% of bullets land within a area of 67334cm² while the fuel tank is a target roughly 5655cm².
For 75% accuracy the chance to strike the target is 8.4%, while for all bullets it’s merely 6.3%

With this and the probability of a M8 API to cause a fire in a single shot at this distance being 37% we can calculate the probability to destory the 109, considering that a fire will always lead to destruction.

Number of shots fired Average Hits Fires on average
1 0.063 2.33%
5 0.315 11.66%
10 0.63 23.31%
20 1.26 46.62%
22 1.386 51.28%
30 1.89 69.93%
35 2.205 81.59%
43 2.709 100.23%
Example: US 20mm AN/M2 firing M96 Incendiary

Unlike the .50cal AN/M2 with 4 mil dispersion the Hispano (AN/M2) is more accurate.
Its 3 mil dispersion, for 75% of hits, creating a target area of just 37875cm³, resulting in a hit chance of 14.93% and 11.20% for all rounds, compared to the 6.4% for the AN/M2 .50cal.

Number of shots fired Average Hits Fires on average
1 0.112 10.53%
2 0.224 21.06%
3 0.336 31.58%
4 0.448 42.11%
5 0.56 52.64%
6 0.672 63.17%
8 0.896 84.22%
10 1.12 105.28%

At 366m M96 Incendiary has a 94% probability to cause a fire, in a chase at 500kph it’s 91%.

Not only is the likelyness much higher, the resulting fire will be many times more lethal compared to the .50cal M8 bullet, which can only cause minor damage to a fuel tank.

Example: German MG 151/20 firing Incendiary-T shells

German data suggests 3.8 mil accuracy for 100% of hits but the sample size was extremely low with just 11 rounds fired.

To convert to 75% accuracy like the US guns, I went with a factor of 1.5. Resulting in 2.53 mil accuracy.
This results in a hit chance of 20.9% fo for 75% of rounds fired and 15.7% for 100%.

Of course the lower muzzle velocity and higher drag would also result in increased aiming error, for landing shots in the first place. Which I might look into another day.

20mm Incendiary-T MG 151 vs Bf 109 Fuel tank
Number of shots fired Average Hits Fires on average
1 0.157 13.66%
2 0.314 27.32%
3 0.471 40.98%
4 0.628 54.64%
5 0.785 68.30%
6 0.942 81.95%
7 1.099 95.61%
8 1.256 109.27%

In reality the likeliness is going to be influenced by other factors:

  • Not every fire is going to be lethal
  • Internal strcture and distance to the fuel tank decreases the effectiveness of the bullets
  • Impact velocity, and therefore fire chance, in air combat is reduced compared to ground testing*
  • Accuracy decreases in the air, since the bullet has to travel a greater distance*
  • Compound damage increases the likelyhood for fires.

*Because the projectile is fired from a moving aircraft, it suffers more drag. It also has to cover a greater distance as the target is moving away. However the opposite is true for a attack from the front.

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Overall nice, tho id rename Various HMG incendary rounds to 15-12,7mm incendary rounds, to be more in line with the 20mm tap as well as technically the 15mm MG 151 is also a Cannon and not a HMG.
Also why no 3,7 cm Brsprgr.18 Vk. L’Spur and 3,7 cm M-Gr.18 L’Spur?

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I was actually thinking of adding it next. Would fit nicely between US and SU 37mm shells.

So would be the MG 131 but it’s basially a technicality.
The French 25mm AT cannon would be an AT rifle based on the fact that it’s firing giant jacketed bullets, while 20mm AT rifles would technically be cannons since they fire cannon shells.
So I would simply considered 10-15mm caliber projectiles to be HMG rounds.

What about 5 cm too, cince you also habe the 45mm

Not sure. Maybe a new category with +50mm shells, like the Japanese 57mm.
But there’s not really much interesting to see there.
The 50mm was just to target 4-engined bombers while the 57mm was to target ground targets.
The 45mm shell is technically not much different than the 37mm. It has thicker walls but uses a longer cavity for more explosive.
It’s really only there for some comparison in destructive power.

I rather add some more missing WW2 era ammunition as well as post-war shells, like US 20mm ammo and 30mm ADEN/DEFA shells.

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I’ve added the German 37mm Mineshell.

What’s also curious is, that I checked the Ho-203/204 37mm shells and based on the internal volume of the cutaway drawing from US documents, the filler values, that these document give, don’t add up.

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JP_37mm_Ho_203_HEFI_Type_100_Fuze

From the volume the inner section of the explosive filler would fit around 35g RDX, not considering the explosive around the detonator, and the part that is supposed to be flash powder (Al, Mg, Ba(NO3)²) could fit around 15g.

There’s one Japanese source listing various Army ammunition, including aircrafts hells, stating an explosive filler of 45g.

I only have the edited document from my Ho-401 bug report, so ignore the markings

I thought this might be due to the later shells switching the explosive and incendiary volumes, increasing the weight, due to higher density, but it seems like the filler amount from US documents is simply incorrect.

For a Tracerless 37mm shell to only to contain 30g RDX and 8g Incendiary composition, with a body lenght of ~90mm, doesn’t add up, when the sizes are compard to the Russian NS-37 HEFI-T shell (37g A-IX-2) or the British ~35mm Incendiary-blast-test container, which carried up to 60g Torpex.

There’s another drawing from US documents where the cavity has a diamter of 25mm but shrinks to 22mm at the bottom of the shell. But even then I think it would hold more filler.

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JP_37mm_Ho_204_HEFI_Type_4_Fuze_2

Edit: I changed the description for the Ho-203/204 shell:
30g RDX → 45g RDX
8g Flash powder → 12-16g Flash powder
440g weight → 475g

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I just noticed you wrote 500 or 860 m/s, however it should be 500 or 860/900m/s for the 3 cm M-Gr.

And are the Drawings to Size? Are the 3,7 cm M-Gr.18 and US 37mm shell walls about the same thickness?

They are more or less true to size.
The 37mm Mineshells walls are thinner at all times and of course the cavity is much longer due to the different tracer design.

I’m pretty sure that 30mm Mineshell without tracer wasn’t fired at 900m/s by the MK 103.

If it was, it probably caused problems that resulted in the velocity be lowered to 860m/s.

There is still the Mk 101. But overall 860 is the reduces charge for extended parts life. 900 is normal charge.

But the MK 101 wasn’t really used anymore by the time the high capacity tracerless 30mm Mineshells were around.

Well i did see a ammo drawing for “30mm M-Shell for Mk 101”. Also the He 177 also had Mk 101 and would also have used the M-Gr. Not to mention the Do 217 series.

After some investigation, it turns out that the original values for the Ho-203 HEFI round were correct.
The reference model most likely did not have the right dimensions.

Updated the model and the values:
45g RDX → 30g RDX
12-16g Flash powder → 8g Flash powder

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Oh wow. What a nice read. Appreciate the effort ))))

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I added some more information on damage effects.

Mostly for +30mm guns.

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I added a bunch of 30mm explosive shells.

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Nice tho from the M-Gr the designation Ausf.C is missing.

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Well, the shell existed before the Ausführung A/B/C designation.
It’s already easy to distinguish from the other variants, due to the tracer.

Well, the A is the old, B is training and C is the new. Anyway, not that important.

I’ve corrected the filling for the 20mm M96 Incendiary.
→ 9g to 10.8g Flash powder

Based on the Source:
Airplane Vulnerability and Overall Armament Effectivness

It always seemed strange how it would only carry 9g when the German fuzed round could carrry between 8-10g, depending on the model.

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Corrected Ho-103 fuzeless HEI (Ma-102) based on this report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/XzTk8GgmCXNQ

~1.75g PETN + RDX → 1.65g PETN + RDX
~1.46g Flash powder → 1.0g Flash powder

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