Military Aviation Ammunition Visualized and Overall Effectiveness

Machinery of War Discussion Historical Discussion
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Well i did see a ammo drawing for “30mm M-Shell for Mk 101”. Also the He 177 also had Mk 101 and would also have used the M-Gr. Not to mention the Do 217 series.

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After some investigation, it turns out that the original values for the Ho-203 HEFI round were correct.
The reference model most likely did not have the right dimensions.

Updated the model and the values:
45g RDX → 30g RDX
12-16g Flash powder → 8g Flash powder

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Oh wow. What a nice read. Appreciate the effort ))))

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I added some more information on damage effects.

Mostly for +30mm guns.

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I added a bunch of 30mm explosive shells.

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Nice tho from the M-Gr the designation Ausf.C is missing.

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Well, the shell existed before the Ausführung A/B/C designation.
It’s already easy to distinguish from the other variants, due to the tracer.

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Well, the A is the old, B is training and C is the new. Anyway, not that important.

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I’ve corrected the filling for the 20mm M96 Incendiary.
→ 9g to 10.8g Flash powder

Based on the Source:
Airplane Vulnerability and Overall Armament Effectivness

It always seemed strange how it would only carry 9g when the German fuzed round could carrry between 8-10g, depending on the model.

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Corrected Ho-103 fuzeless HEI (Ma-102) based on this report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/XzTk8GgmCXNQ

~1.75g PETN + RDX → 1.65g PETN + RDX
~1.46g Flash powder → 1.0g Flash powder

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I added 23mm shells for the VYa and NS-23/NR-23 cannons in comparison to some 20mm explosive shells.

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Added damage comparison of blast effect against Bf 109 E wing.

Edit: Added a bit more information on other blast damage examples:

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Added Italian 7.7mm API (Green tip) bullet

Added 15mm HEFI-T to 20mm comparison + 15mm HEFI-T fragmentation dispersion.
Also added shell wall thickness to compare fragmentation performance.

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Added armor penetration values for AP-I shells.

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Added 20mm M56 HEFI to 23mm comparison.

With this there’s now visualiation for the following post-war shells:

  • 20mm M39 & M61 Vulcan (HEFI)
  • 23mm NS-23 / NR-23 (HEFI, HEFI-T, API) (Same as WW2)
  • 30mm ADEN/DEFA (HEI)
  • 30mm GSh-30-1 (HEFI)
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Added a summary of explosive damage. It’s notable that Mineshells outperform explosive shells when it comes to structural damage to wings.

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Added a comparison of explosive shells and Mineshells for taking out large bombers.

Of course it’s a simplification, since many factors influence the results.

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Added .50cal API

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Crazy to think that that little I tip of the AP-I Cal. .50 has a greater firechance in game than some bigger Incendary rounds.

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Indeed. Proportions of incendiary chance and damage are completely blown out of the water and Incendiary bullets or shells have no clear advantage over API in War Thunder.

There either needs to be a system that bases incendiary chance and damage on caliber and ammunition type or incendiary content needs to be modeled.

I would prefer the later, for more accurate depiction of ammunition.

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.50cal API-T with 1.16g Incendiary filler only has a 0.6% chance to cause a kill within 5 minutes with damage to fuel tanks and structure.

20mm M96 with 10.8g Incendiary filler has a 5% chance in comparison. Thats more than 8 times the likeliness.

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