Iraq didnt get the r-73
and when did the Kosovo War happen?
in 1998
damn lets take a look what the US had in service by then
the Aim-120 entered service in 1991
damn the r-27r is totally not outmached by that
wrong
it was designed to be a cheap export fighter they could sell to their pupet states like East Germany, Yugoslavia or Ukraine
wrong again because the Soviet union didnt export the flanker to its pupet states
the flanker was only exported after the collapse of the Soviet Union
What are you even talking about… The MiG-29 was just as much an internal Soviet project as the Su-27. It was only sold abroad because they didn’t want to export the Su-27 and to give allied nations a token 4th-gen fighter. It was developed under the PFI program (Perspektivnyy Frontovoy Istrebitel, or Advanced Frontline Fighter) and was always intended for the USSR’s own Air Force
Ukraine wasnt a “puppet state” tho, but a full (and founding) member of the Soviet Union
Not really, it was created along the su-27 because the soviets realized the PFI program had too high requirements for what they were able to do so they split it into the LPFI (light fighter that became the fulcrums) and TPFI (heavy fighter that became the flankers). Export was considered afterwards because russians needed money and the fulcrum happened to be less advanced and cheaper, thus more adapted for export
So what im getting from this is - it cant use them.
Also why is there not a single picture of the 9.13 carrying the ER ANYWHERE?
right - because it didnt.
We can say “it could in theory” all day long - neither you or me are MiG-29 Mechanics or Electronics Expert and we dont know if the Airframe would actually be able to do it.
Theoretically - maybe
Was it done? - no
MiG-29M 9.15 was not only seen with it - but it was intended for its use and we have record of its ability to use it.
and if they could use them (like you proposed) why wouldnt the soviets sell their ER1s to warsaw pact countries?
Also saying they where “usually left for the SU27s” would imply that the R27ER has a much higher manufacturing cost than the R27R - something wich isnt the case.
So why should they purposfully give even their own migs significantly worse BVR missiles if they were able to use the much much better upgraded variant for only a slightly higher price?
The only logical answer is that early MiG-29 models couldnt carry the R27ER - otherwise we would have record of them doing so
giajin already bases loadouts of theoretical stuff, see swiss fa18, israeli f15i, german f4f so mig 29 isn’t special
im not saying to remove the ER from the 29 in warthunder
(although it should be replaced with the R73)
This is just about the irl capability
Iraq didn’t even get 73s lol, they had like 20 fulcrums with r60s and r27 fighting against hundreds of modern 14s, 15s and 16s variants with much better pilots, maintenance and weaponry.
Real life isn’t like war thunder where you get 2 airfields, same number of players on each side and battlerating system… I don’t believe the mig29 is a super Uber duper plane but saying it sucks solely because of its k/d is just not logical. Early 29 is on par with its counterpart, which is the early f-16.
didn’t they get the 9.12b? at least in game, it’s practically the same to the other ones in terms of avionics
thats what i meant lol
i probably got screwed by auto correct or something
Ur correct i made a mistake, they were inferior just in terms of weaponry, the plane was the same.
Well i don’t have info about that so i can’t opine, but if that’s true, then the situation for the iraqis back in the 90s was worse than i thought.
Are you seriously claiming that only one aircraft was lost during the entire period of combat operation of the F-16?
I can assume that the F-16 has a positive score, but this is not because the aircraft is good, but because the United States constantly attacked someone. Attacking is easier than defending against a surprise attack.
I don’t remember that the GDR attacked anyone. Therefore, I cannot imagine where their planes could raise their score.
To say that the MiG-29 was a bad aircraft is to misunderstand the issue. The Soviet Union after the end of the war was a rather poor, devastated country, and it remained so until its very collapse. Therefore, they needed an aircraft that could be produced very quickly in huge numbers in the event of a U.S. attack. And they did it. The aircraft, which in peacetime costs three times cheaper than the F-16, and which at the same time was capable of fighting any NATO fighter at that time.
Most F-16 kills are in other countries hands, the whole “US attack” argument is false
what is sp
It is not true
Most of the combat losses of the F-16 belong to the US Air Force
Countries with F-16 fighter jets were more likely to attack other countries than others. And, as we know, the United States does not sell its fighters to just anyone.
Israel and Pakistan make up most F-16 a2a kills, most of them in 80’s
The only confirmed a2a loss was Turkey
We’re not just talking about a2a losses. In the context of the MIG-29, we consider all combat losses, why do you consider the losses of the F-16 only from the a2a? After all, it’s not just airplanes that are involved in the war.
6-18 for MiG-29 is a2a kills to a2a losses
If you counted losses to the ground you’d have to consider F-16 kills on ground targets which is hard to count
