The soviet 12.7
Nobody flies straight into missiles besides level 9s in their F-15Es they grinded with their F-4S
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Exactly?
At high altitude the R-77-1 is the best missile in the game at top tier
It really isn’t. F-15E and EFT can fly and climb high faster. Which goves even better missile flight characteristics.
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It is, whether the platform detracts from it or not. The statement isn’t false. The F-15E and Eurofighter currently outperform the Sukhoi’s in high altitude performance and gain an advantage in launch conditions SOONER, it is not a guaranteed advantage. Often times I just see them flying head-on into the first volley of missiles when they try to leverage this.
Regardless, there is no need for R-27EA and there are other options. If they choose to add R-27EA, R-77M, even KS-172 it will not matter as there is already precedent in other aircraft platforms and ordnance such as Horton, R2Y2, F-16AJ, SRAAM, etc.
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the R77-1 is comparable to the Aim-120A/B currently ingame
the R77-1 has more straight line range while the aim-120 has less speed bleed which makes its effective range against moving targets higher than the R77-1s.
The aim-120c5 has approximately 50% more range than the R77-1, is much faster, has better guidance and a better seekerhead - it also has less drag.
Its quite easy to say that the aim-120C5 would be quite literally without counterpart as it is a weird middle step between the early Aim-120s/R-77s and the Late long range Aim-120Ds and R37.
The R27EA on the other hand slightly less advanced tracking than the Aim-120C5 (its seekerhead is worse for example) but gets slightly longer range (5-10km more range than the 120C5)
It quite literally is THE perfect (and quite frankly only) counterpart available - other nations like China, Germany, Sweden, Isreal and Italy would all suffer through this period due to not having missiles in these range departments (METEOR is too strong, while 120As are too weak)
Edit: I also feel like you are misunderstanding me here a bit.
I dont want the R27EA to be put on ALL russian airframes - just the ones that did carry out testing irl and did carry them.
The Only aircraft to testfire the R27EAs were MiG-29M prototypes (essentially what is known as the 9.15)
So only those should ever recieve the R27EAs.
It would really give the MiG something special over the Flankers - as without the EA the Flankers quite literally are just better versions of the MiG (same weaponry, better flight performance, better avionics and so on)
The testing process was similiar to the YAK-141 (which is ingame as a techtree vehicle)
The R27EA originally was intended for the MiG-29Ms with later thoughts of putting them on the Flankers too - the project was started and several test MiG-29M airframes did carry those missiles and did testfire them
While this might not be enough for a Techtree vehicle - it would definitly work for a cool Event version of the MiG-29M 9.15
No, it’s not
Does it? 🤔
All AIM-120’s will have the same motor as C-5 after that variant, there are no further motor improvements. None of them are comparable to R-37.
According to what? It is a heavier R-27ER with loft.
R-77-1 is fine, if not, R-77M is an option without sacrificing number of ordnance carried. There is also ability to carry mixed loads of R-37M and R-77-1. There are also missiles like KS-172.
So nothing modern at all. None of them tested this iirc.
So the entire conversation is a pointless banter about a fantasy you have.
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How often do I need to say “MiG-29M” to you until you understand it?
The R27EA was tested on the MiG-29M prototypes - so if these prototypes come to the game at an appropiate time (idc if its a Techtree or event vehicle - but due to the YAK-141 being a techtree vehicle the MiG-29M doesnt seem too unlikely) they should recieve their proper weaponry.
No, its about an a cool airframe with a very unique option for weaponry.
I love the Fulcrum and the MiG-29M is the first model of them to fix the major issues of Avionics, Weaponry amount and Countermeasure count.
If it doesnt get the R27EA - im totally fine with that. But I still think it should get them to keep them seperate from the Flankers.
The Flankers rn have the same - or even better weaponry, while having more of it and getting a better flight model.
Id really just love a competetive Fulcrum in Warthunder, and a MiG-29M with R27EA seems to be a good way of implementing that.
Call it pointless - but you´re in a Fulcrum discussion complaining about someone discussing a Fulcrum.
Either talk about the Fulcrums that might possibly come to the game in the future or dont, but dont tell others to not talk about it - The purpose of this whole forum is to discuss the game
Id also like to see where you got that from.
irrc the R27EA prototype missiles where a similiar weight to the R27ET at around 350kg - which is lighter than the R27ER at 360kg
Also I feel like you make the R27EA seem more like a thing that never was - but the EA was testfired multiple times.
You treat it like the R27EM - which would be an entirely different story
Are you perhaps mixing the two missiles in terms of historical existence and performance?
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this is simply a lie, lmao
(imma use Wikipedia as my source here - most trustworthy source that isnt classified and doesnt take hours to search up)
According to Wikipedia the R27EA has an approxiamte max range of 130km (exact same as the R27ER btw, but the ER cant achieve those ranges due to its battery running out at 70km) - The Aim-120C5 has 105km and the Aim-120D has 180km (the aim-120D funnily has the exact same range as the R27EM)
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According to wikipedia have R-77-1 range 110 km. Not so different to C5. In game its different story.
Idk about others, but Italy can get AIM-120C-5 on their F-16ADF.
Spoiler
Plus they can get AIM-120C for F-2000A. Hungarian Gripen should also have access to it.
Also Romanian F-16AM can come with AIM-120C-7/8.
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This isn’t true, the R-27ER has more than 70km range and runs out only in lower altitude conditions. Range is primarily limited by datalink range.
AIM-120D uses the same motor as C-5 unless you can prove otherwise. I think you’ll find it difficult to show any motor changes.
It also according to Rosoboronexport. So it more of the condition is being used… and Snail not modeling dynamic drag properly
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Do you guys know if the MiG-29SMT can carry R-77-1s?
IIRC it should be able to do, but 29SMT have nothing to do on 14.0
I do not think the R-77-1 would drag the SMT up to 14.0. 13.7? maybe, since it’d be the same BR as the F-16C
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Perhaps. It just was said on stream that devs consider R-77-1 as 14.0 level weapon