So what changed on the R-27R/ER besides the booster that suddenly prohibits the ER’s use on the N019?
You didn’t answer that question
I did not write here about the export ones (I have a registry with all serial numbers)…I also gave the dates-The Beginning of Operation…
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Реестр МиГ-29 (archive.org)
About the Ukrainian ones separately here, according to Russian and Western data…
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Forgot to post this part too.
You are already wrongfully calculating that only 16 Mig-29S (9-13S) ever existed & ALL of them are known.
That is not true at all. Neither the first 19-13S making an appearance in 1992. Perhaps the first serial produced from scratch did, but upgraded in any capacity is unknown. Sources range from two dozen machines to two full-fledged regiments off a three-squadron composition. The sources all agree on one thing its more than the 16 made from scratch that you claim.
Additionally, you are not counting any 9-12 airframes upgraded with the N019M radars and have the ability to use ERs :)
As in the case of Ukraine, they are a non-NATO state, they had access to the Su27 & the N001mech radar since day one. They also manufacture the R-27. They were left Mig29 variants of sorts & did business with the Russian federation quite closely after the dissolution on & off over the years.
However, they STILL cannot use the R-27ER outside of the Su27 & specific Mig29 variants. Its only proving my point even further. You know what, forget about the 9-13S then.
The only picture I have been provided of a Ukrainian Mig-29 using the ER is a 9-12 airframe anyway.
Here is another MSN to look up.
Ukraine - Air Force MiG-29S (9-12S)
Reg: 102 white
MSN: 2960731225
Got two sources stating it’s a (9-12S)
Good luck!
Then why did you intentionally mislead as if there is only 16 (9-13S) in existence?
Why can’t people just be honest on the forum? We are not out here discussing for likes & money.
@MiG_23M certainly thinks he is & its high stakes or something.
So you won’t (can’t) answer my question it seems
I guess it’s a game of posting nonsense and then going on a long enough tangent that people might forget the prior nonsense…
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My apologies, but there are no games are being played with you whatsoever.
I just find what you have to say or think as totally irrelevant.
Run along I am sure you have something to wipe down, clean or shine.
So as I was saying, the 9B-1101K seeker of the R-27R and R-27ER operates on the 10-20ghz (I/J band) portion of the EM spectrum.
Any radar capable of guiding the R-27R can guide the R-27ER because the seeker and guidance systems are identical.
The only hardware change is the booster which does not preclude the use of the ER on any platform.
This is why your line of argumentation is not a valid one for the removal of the R-27ER from the MiG-29 series 9-12 and 9-13. Interestingly, the removal of that weapon from these aircraft is something I have been for since its’ introduction. You’ve come up with so many weird reasons for its removal and haven’t acknowledged any of the legitimately good ones… like the multipath meta or performance compared to peers ordnance.
The N019M Topaz is not the same “guidance system” as the N019 Rubin, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The N019M Topaz can guide R-77s does this now mean all Mig-29 radars can launch R-77s? Because in your narrow mind they are “the same radar & guidance system”?
The N019M Topaz is the only proven radar modification of N019 series to guide R-27ERs. You cannot find a single source or even a picture of a Mig29 that has R27ERs & is not upgraded with such. All pictures are proven to be Mig29s upgraded to the Topaz standard or has a Zhuk radar in it.
Your dismissed.
I didn’t say anything about these.
The R-27R and R-27ER share all but the motor. The N019 can fire the R-27R, therefore is guiding the same missile with a smaller motor.
I didn’t say they were the same radar and guidance system. I made the factually correct point that the same missile with a bigger motor would be functional on either radar.
The R-77 doesn’t share the same seeker as the R-27R so no. The N019 would be unable to guide it or provide mid-course corrections.
I’ll ask again, what makes the R-27ER solely capable of receiving guidance from the N019M and not the standard N019? What changed on the missile?
All available data and materials states that they continue to use the same seeker developed for the R-27R on the R-27ER. They share every part besides their motor… so why is it not feasible to you? Does a larger rocket motor suddenly change the method the missile receives or decodes guidance signals?
Since we knew that Ukraine got Mig-29AS from Slovak.
And the main upgrade of the Mig-29AS is not included Radar, they upgraded to unify with NATO standard communication, better HUD and IFF.
So can this image is a prove that Mig-29 9-12B (which is the base frame for Mig-29AS) can use R-27ER ?
Correct if i’m wrong about the Missiles.
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Using my phone those appear to be standard R-27R not R-27ER. My guess is that the fire control system wouldn’t identify the updated R-27ER and provide correct launch zone information to the pilot for aircraft not intended to carry the R-27E series.
That doesn’t stop them from launching it as an R-27R knowing that if the target is within lock range of the N019 it would also very likely be within range of the R-27ER lol
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I believe you are using Airliners.net as a source. Airliners.net is quite unreliable. They often misidentify the variants. For example my country operates MiG 29 (9-12B) but Airliner.net and other similar websites misidentified it as MiG 29SE
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9-13S has never been to Ukraine.They never had the N019M. All 9-13S, including prototypes, were in Russia.
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- Slovakia, after the division of property with Czechoslovakia, got 10 pieces of 9-12A…
2.14 pieces of 9-12B were delivered from Russia starting in 1994…
3.In the picture, the tail number 0619 9-12SD (local name AS) converted from 9-12A (MiG-29AS 9.12SD 2960535406/4713 0619)…47-13● 2960535406 MiG-29A /9.12A (1993) No0619 1 IAP Air Force
Slovakia (Szlach) - 12/21/1993; 31 IAK - 01.01.1995; 02/29/2008
upgraded to MiG-29AS /9.12SD. - The 9-12SD standard implies the installation (modernization) of a radar for the use of R-77 missiles…at least not lower than H019ME “Topaz”…
Spoiler
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Instead of trying to take the r27er out from the loadouts, could we suggest gaijin to give the ability to receive the r73 to all the 29 variants, as the 29smt is going to receive r77s this Patch.
@MiG_23M, @_Fantom2451,In general, Ziggy is right about something
To use the version ER(ET). It was necessary to replace the On-board computer from Ц100 to Ц101
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if the source is correct , then there should be no mig 29s capable of firing the ER variant .
if the missile is set to use different parameters after software updates( don’t know if that is the case )
missile will not be able to determine the radar returns as the settings have been changed
ET would have no problem tho
to compare , what is stopping ADATS to use M919 APFSDS round? there should be no problem at all