… Yes the radar changed. The hardware on the missile did not. The only difference is a new booster. So answer my question… What prevents the radar from guiding the ER vs normal R?
It sounds like you’re saying the ER requires a different set of frequencies to guide which is untrue. It is a receiver… it picks up whatever frequencies it was encoded to pick up at launch within the 10-20Ghz band. This is why it works on several different platforms and with several different radars. The hardware for guidance and homing is identical on both missiles.
Ziggy!..There has never been 9-13S in Ukraine…there are only 16 of them, they are all known, they are all in Russia…
The date of independence of Ukraine is August 24, 1991 …
The first experienced 9-13S entered GLITZ in early 1992…the first serial in 73 IAP in March 1992…
3.In your photo, for example, MSN: 2960731232…this is 9-13…
For Soviet historical respect & accuracy and most importantly to give the R73 to it. The Rightful missile over the ER all day long.
This will actually keep the special the 9-12A export models that did receive ER & R-77s unique & special. Because they are. This will also open us up to receive more Mig-29 models. Having one or two fake ones that can already do everything does not spread “Mig29 influence” throughout the BR range out & encourage GJ to model us more. There are still more Soviet & post-Soviet variants out there as well as special export variants like the Serbian one I shared.
Additionally, the Soviet Mig29s were not BVR platforms (Federation Mig-29s are a different story), They were highly kinetic, “in your face” massive thrust to weight, high alpha agile little dogfighters with revolutionary OEPS IRST passive detection & tracking with an HMS to compliment high off boresight missiles that NATO & the US notes are superior at the time & highly specialized missiles for dogfighting. To such a degree it changed doctrine moving forward.
If they get the jump on you, you cannot outrun them & you must dogfight them & no actual pilot ever wants to dogfight any Fulcrum knowing they have the performance, HMS & R73 missiles. The longer a fight drags on more of their massive thrust to weight kicks & they know the Mig-29 is always going to be lighter and run down the fuel before you & will stay in the fight longer than you regardless.
They can just land in a random field somewhere after they kill you with no harm to the jet. Get picked up or have the nearest FOB bring them a fuel truck & maintenance personnel fill it up & take off again. Depending on the situation they can even bring a truck to rearm the jet too.
That was what feared the West about them. Not a missile that was never deployed on any Mig29 until the 9-13S & that took place practically the very moment dissolution of the USSR had taken place. The Su27 had already been the star anyway & taken the spotlight away with the amount it carries.
To not give the R-73 to the Mig-29 9-12s & 9-13 of the Cold War is a crime against Mikoyan to the degree of treason as far as I am concerned lol.
You are already wrongfully calculating that only 16 Mig-29S (9-13S) ever existed & ALL of them are known.
That is not true at all. Neither the first 19-13S making an appearance in 1992. Perhaps the first serial produced from scratch did, but upgraded in any capacity is unknown. Sources range from two dozen machines to two full-fledged regiments off a three-squadron composition. The sources all agree on one thing its more than the 16 made from scratch that you claim.
Additionally, you are not counting any 9-12 airframes upgraded with the N019M radars and have the ability to use ERs :)
As in the case of Ukraine, they are a non-NATO state, they had access to the Su27 & the N001mech radar since day one. They also manufacture the R-27. They were left Mig29 variants of sorts & did business with the Russian federation quite closely after the dissolution on & off over the years.
However, they STILL cannot use the R-27ER outside of the Su27 & specific Mig29 variants. Its only proving my point even further. You know what, forget about the 9-13S then.
The only picture I have been provided of a Ukrainian Mig-29 using the ER is a 9-12 airframe anyway.
Here is another MSN to look up.
Ukraine - Air Force MiG-29S (9-12S)
Reg: 102 white
MSN: 2960731225
So as I was saying, the 9B-1101K seeker of the R-27R and R-27ER operates on the 10-20ghz (I/J band) portion of the EM spectrum.
Any radar capable of guiding the R-27R can guide the R-27ER because the seeker and guidance systems are identical.
The only hardware change is the booster which does not preclude the use of the ER on any platform.
This is why your line of argumentation is not a valid one for the removal of the R-27ER from the MiG-29 series 9-12 and 9-13. Interestingly, the removal of that weapon from these aircraft is something I have been for since its’ introduction. You’ve come up with so many weird reasons for its removal and haven’t acknowledged any of the legitimately good ones… like the multipath meta or performance compared to peers ordnance.
The N019M Topaz is not the same “guidance system” as the N019 Rubin, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The N019M Topaz can guide R-77s does this now mean all Mig-29 radars can launch R-77s? Because in your narrow mind they are “the same radar & guidance system”?
The N019M Topaz is the only proven radar modification of N019 series to guide R-27ERs. You cannot find a single source or even a picture of a Mig29 that has R27ERs & is not upgraded with such. All pictures are proven to be Mig29s upgraded to the Topaz standard or has a Zhuk radar in it.
The R-27R and R-27ER share all but the motor. The N019 can fire the R-27R, therefore is guiding the same missile with a smaller motor.
I didn’t say they were the same radar and guidance system. I made the factually correct point that the same missile with a bigger motor would be functional on either radar.
The R-77 doesn’t share the same seeker as the R-27R so no. The N019 would be unable to guide it or provide mid-course corrections.
I’ll ask again, what makes the R-27ER solely capable of receiving guidance from the N019M and not the standard N019? What changed on the missile?
All available data and materials states that they continue to use the same seeker developed for the R-27R on the R-27ER. They share every part besides their motor… so why is it not feasible to you? Does a larger rocket motor suddenly change the method the missile receives or decodes guidance signals?
Since we knew that Ukraine got Mig-29AS from Slovak.
And the main upgrade of the Mig-29AS is not included Radar, they upgraded to unify with NATO standard communication, better HUD and IFF.
So can this image is a prove that Mig-29 9-12B (which is the base frame for Mig-29AS) can use R-27ER ?
Correct if i’m wrong about the Missiles.
Using my phone those appear to be standard R-27R not R-27ER. My guess is that the fire control system wouldn’t identify the updated R-27ER and provide correct launch zone information to the pilot for aircraft not intended to carry the R-27E series.
That doesn’t stop them from launching it as an R-27R knowing that if the target is within lock range of the N019 it would also very likely be within range of the R-27ER lol
I believe you are using Airliners.net as a source. Airliners.net is quite unreliable. They often misidentify the variants. For example my country operates MiG 29 (9-12B) but Airliner.net and other similar websites misidentified it as MiG 29SE
