Tbh that should be enough to make the ER exclusive to more advanced variants of the mig29, that missile is just too powerful to face 3rd gen in a regular basis.
But in the end It’s up to gaijin to interpret and decide…
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Unless they give the 29 r73s and change it’s BR ofc
I’ve actually been a proponent of its removal from the 9-12 and 9-13 models from the start.
N019 can guide the 9B-1101K seeker and provide mid-course updates through the mid-body datalink receivers … which is shared between the two missiles. Your argument is nonsense.
You asked for a 9-13, you did not specify that you meant solely the original 9-13 and no derivatives.
Either way, your point is not standing.
Ziggy, once again you’re parading for a change but trying to go about it the wrong way.
The Su-27 primarily went to the air defense aviation
The N019 Rubin provides mid-course to the 9B-1101K seeker in the R-27R. You have no proof that it can to the ER & will never find it. Because it never did or can.
Just because the seeker is the same model is so irrelevant.
It is the Radar that provides the frequency & main channels for guidance that determines how or if the R-27ER will guide. Not the other way around.
Vympel is the contractor who just makes the missile. Vympel has no authority to determine how Mikoyan & Phazotron develops the radar or what frequencies are emitted in detection, tracking & guidance.
NATO owns the N019 Rubin radar today & most importantly it was found out the Americans knew everything about that radar & the R-27R during the exact years the ERs was still being development!
Only the most unintelligent person of the highest order would allow the R-27ER to go into production & then deploy it in 1990 only to be guided by the same exact radar that NATO owns!
The Russians are smarter than that in case you are still wondering & they specifically made a new radar variant that produces different Search & Track PRF as well as different combinations of X-band main channel frequencies & ECM hardened it to undo the damage that the Americans & the traitor did.
The Radar is called to N019M Topaz.
These upgrades did not just happen to the Mig29. Widescale hardening & upgrades took place because Phazotron’s Chief Engineer was found to be an American Spy.
Most of the MiG-25Ps were modernized into the MiG-25PDS version, and several hundred MiG-23ML - into the MiG-23MLD version). It was a massive costly effort on behalf of Phazotron & Mikoyan & is nothing short of an engineering marvel.
Unfortunately, the collapse of the Soviet Union took place & not many Mig-29s were upgraded to 9-12S or 9-13S.
In 1992, the new Russian Ministry of Defense decided to stop purchasing MiG-29 fighters - in the conditions of the economic crisis, it was deemed inappropriate to build two types of front-line fighters simultaneously. Instead sold 9-13S upgrades to allies & invested heavily into the Sukhoi 27 series.
The Mig-29S (product 9-13S) is the last fighter & modification upgrade to ever be produced & carried out by the Soviet Union :(
You did not even read my post. All this is answered. I will not respond to you unless you have and its related.
9B-1101K operates on any freq 10-20Ghz. The encoding used to guide it is determined by the radar and coordinated with the missile via the FCS. The type of booster on the missile is irrelevant.
Any radar that can guide R-27R has the ability to guide the same missile even if a bigger booster is attached…
Bruhh
If the head is the same, why other radar frequencies?
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You mean J-band frequencies?
The NATO J-band?
NATO operates predominately at 10-20Ghz in literally everything communication, electronic warfare etc. It’s called the NATO J-band.
You are not really making a good case mentioning that frequency range.
@MiG_23M
Ziggi
He’s trying to provoke.So that the documents were thrown off and the KGB appeared
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I don’t see how a frequency is NATO specific (joking)
Yes, the 9B-1101K operated at 10-20Ghz this is a common operating frequency for SARH missiles.
The seeker is produced in both Ukraine and Russia, the missile is exported by both countries. Users of either have no issues with compatibility. This is how we know the seeker is the exact same as the R-27R’s… it is not an issue of whether or not the N019 can guide it… It certainly can. The issue is about whether or not the planes equipped with N019 ever received the missile.
Gaijin has stated that this is not an obstacle for the addition of ordnance. It is about whether or not it can, not if it did.
I suspect for this reason we will see AIM-120 on F-14D for example.
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Video game screenshot.
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Bruhh didn’t notice
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Ahah happens to us all. Don’t worry.
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Because not all radars emit the same RF frequencies my friend…
Brother, why do you guys always follow me around the forum & the second I post you both log on & b-line straight to the topic to drown out any potential community building conversations never letting anyone new have a moment to read ask questions themselves & chime in on their thoughts?
Why do you & @MiG_23M always demand my full-scale upmost attention that I must satisfy your every need the moment I post, even in threads none of you were even active at in the first place?
Look, I did not post a long-detailed presentation of Soviet aviation history just to sit here and go back & forth with you & @MiG_23M. I did it out of my love of the Mig-29 & desire to keep it as close to reality & history as possible in my favorite only played game. I actually talk about the aircraft I spend time playing, you don’t even have access to the Mig29 or Su27 & @MiG_23M has not played top tier or the game much for 4 updates.
If you manage to find any Mig29 with a N019 Rubin radar & R-27ER, ping me. But until then. There is nothing to say to you.
You tagged and misquoted me…
The line of discussion is based on nonsense, if anyone who was read on the subject would have replied you’d have gotten the same answer.
Why does it take you an entire hour of typing to consistently be so wrong about something? The 9B-1101K clearly works on multiple platforms and radars, why does changing the booster make it incompatible?
Also no one is being censored here, anyone can chime in and ask questions. If you think anyone believes the facade you’re building… well… lmao.
Who said anything about changing the booster makes it incompatible?
I just posted a Product 9-12A with the ERs in my research lol
Trying to start a flame war with circular arguments I see, eh?
Thanks.
Can you provide a single source that the N019 Rubin can guide the R-27ER? No? Can you provide a single relevant picture of a non-upgraded Soviet Mig-29 9-12 or 9-13? No?
ok there’s nothing else to say until then.
So, can I provide a single source that only Soviet produced radars that can guide the R-27ER is a specific N019 modification upgrade, The N019M Topaz & the N001 Mech? Yes, I have multiple non-open sources I can offer privately if you guys were nice & objective, but instead here is your own listed source you used in your research on the Alamo.
R-27R (AA-10A Alamo A) – a modification of the R-27 missile with the installation of a semi-active radar homing warhead of the RGS-27 type (9B1101K) inside the ogival tip of the fuselage made of dielectric material. The guidance system of this model cooperates with the on-board radar type N019 Rubin (‘Slot Back I’) of the MiG-29 light front-line fighter and N001 Mech (‘Slot Back II’) of the heavy front-line fighter of the Su-27 type. The R-27R missile, along with the R-27T and R-27P, officially became operational in 1987.
Source: R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) :: Ruslet
R-27ER (AA-10C Alamo C) – a modification of the R-27R missile with the installation of a new rocket engine, which has a larger supply of solid fuel, inside a modified rear part of the fuselage, characterized by a greater length and larger diameter. As a result, this model has a greater long-range range. The guidance system of the R-27ER missile cooperates with the N019M Topaz (‘mod. Slot Back I’) radar of the MiG-29S light front-line fighter and the N001 Mech (‘Slot Back II’) of the Su-27 heavy front-line fighter. This model, along with the R-27ET and R-27EP missiles, officially became operational in 1990.
Source: R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) :: Ruslet
FYI, a lot of your own sources actually state many key things and are hidden in plain sight. You should reread them carefully instead hound me all day.
I can show quite easily that the N019 provides guidance for the exact same components as the R-27ER. The only difference is that it equips a larger rocket motor.
Aka you’re wrong and won’t admit it.
Scouring hundreds of non primary sources looking for some error in semantics is not definitive proof of what you’re saying. What did they change on the R-27ER that prevents its guidance from N019? Let’s start with that.
As of right now the claim is that the R-27ER differs somehow from the R-27R and therefore cannot be guided from the original N019. There were no changes to the seeker, so what happened?
