Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

It’s better to assume 2 troglodytes cause let’s be fr that’s most players including us prolly

They don’t no, but we can always bring 16v16 into consideration, which the Su-27SM still floors everyone else in

but the RNG factor always exists and is always in play. Even with 2 equally skilled pilots, they won’t make same mistakes at the same time, wont use same strategies. I get the point that you are trying to make, and i can entertain you if you want to compare raw numbers. But i am looking at the aircrafts in their “natural habitat” - in the hands of random players fighting against other random players

No, that’s dumb.

  1. They don’t know what they’re doing
  2. Were not comparing the aircraft’s full capabilities if we do that
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That’s why we assume the players know what they’re doing.

Were comparing the vehicles full capabilities.
We need to remove as much RNG as possible, which is done by assuming the players know what they’re doing.

Which is flawed because you’re comparing how idiots fight each other

and i told you that if you want to talk about raw numbers - i can entertain you, but this is very useless data that has zero purpose outside of just existing for the sake of curiosity

It is what it is, you can’t force this game to be something that it isn’t

I’m not, but I want accurate comparisons.
You will never do that using the average playerbase.

I mean, they can’t even get 1 kill per game despite bots existing which can inflate that statistic

Accurate comparisons in a completely unachievable hypothetical situations. In this case Su-27SM bodies everything that isn’t Rafale, Eurofighter and Su-30SM/SM2

It bodies everything at 13.7 and 14.0 for most Air RB scenarios yes.

And in reality it quite often gets bodied by Tomcats and F-15As because players struggle with radar and 30 degrees RWR coverage.

This is a terrible argument

I’m sorry, dying to… Tomcats?

This is reality argument. If you don’t like reality - it’s your choice, but denying it gets you nowhere

Where does the tomcat body an Su-27SM?

This makes 0 sense

In an ARB lobby obviously. i’ve played this br bracket for several months non-stop recently, and Su-27SM getting bonked by something that has no business killing it, like Phoenix or a Sparrow is a reality

Automatic target tracking in vertical mode and its missiles has longer range.

In other words troglodytes that fly straight and shoot off fox 3s will have a better time in the f14b than the 27sm

And that happens how often?
How often does that happen compared to let’s say, the Su-27 completely touching the F-14?

This is the worst argument I have ever seen.

more often, believe it or not

And how is that really relevant for an actual aircraft comparison?