Yeah they are not sufficient. We cant recognize for sure what version they are.
The real question is: does it actually need flares at its battle rating?
As part of my argument, I suggested that Gaijin could take some creative liberty by giving it flares, since, if equipped, they were mounted in place of the aerodynamic boundary layer fences, a feature present on all MiG-25s. However, if Gaijin chooses to strictly follow historical evidence, then the aircraft shouldn’t receive flares in-game. (Unless evidence is discovered).
It should be noted that, based on available evidence, the MiG-25RBF appears to be the only variant within the RB family that has ever been equipped with flare dispensers.
Is the MiG-25BM in need of flares in War Thunder?
- Yes, it needs flares/chaff for Ground Battles.
- Yes, it needs flares/chaff for Air Battles.
- Yes, It needs flares/chaff for All Types.
- No, it will be fine without them.
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Well thats depend on many factors. What BR it will really have and how it will work on that BR. Flares or R-60 are possible for balance reasons if it will be needed.
In my opinion, if the RB-series bombers are allowed to start in the air during Air Battles, they could bomb their targets and, by the time they turn around, outrun most of the missiles chasing them, which is largely how they avoided threats in real-life anyway. + ECM which is not modelled yet.
The 10 bomb loadout allows you to destroy 2 bases and maybe damage a third. But, at the same time, giving it the pole position might not be fair to other bombers.
That said, this would only work if they’re placed in BRs without the 30G radar-guided missiles and ridiculous engagement distances.
I believe their battle rating shouldn’t exceed that of the Su-17M2, which also lacks flares but has superior armament and manoeuvrability.
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Your concern is understandable but that was a thorough research I had done with the sources listed at the bottom of the post.
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Notably, there is an indicator in the cockpit that allows the pilot to select between different armament types, including both missiles and bombs. This essentially proves its capability to carry a mixed loadout of bombs and rockets, with only a single wing hardpoint allocated to bombs (as demonstrated on the images in the suggestion).
See the first source for details on the rest of the equipment on the image below:
Regarding heat-seeking missiles: the MiG-21PF/Early PFMs lacked an optical gunsight but still used R-3S IR missiles, so the MiG-25BM could have employed a similar approach.
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Whether or not this foxbat variant gets flares or not, i think we should have a flareless variant at lower BRs. Gives it an unique careful playstyle just like in the F4C. It’s a good challenge
Maybe MiG-25P? But idk how it will work without gun and with only R-40. R-40 are probably agile same as R-3S (2.5G of target and in air not known but probably ~10G). I think that better counterpart to F-4C would be MiG-23S. Low BR, flareless (maximally S-5P chaffs), 4x R-13M/R-3R…
Ah I see. For R-40D its same or?
we know R-40RD target overload is 4G so i assume its 15G too
Yeah, r-40 to r-33 seem to be all 4g target maneuverability, with the r-37 series being the ones with 8g
so how many Gs does the first Mig 25s R40s pull ?
def should be a sqaudron as that would be a horrible tech tree if you where forced to grind it
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Agree. Wont be very useful plane but for simulator as interceptor can work so squadron would be ideal.
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yeah it probably be a meme vehicle like F117
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Giving flares to this jet (BM) will be pushing it as is. Only the PDs had flares as confirmed by images.
SUPPOSEDLY a MiG-25RBF was equipped with flares, which means an aircraft that shared the wing structure of the BM was given flares. But, for details on that you will have to speak to @Blitzkrieg877. I also have to note that the MiG-25BM was based on the MiG-25RBK and not RBF.
I have only included flares in this suggestion, because of his article and that claim. I found nothing else.
MiG-25RB series jets used ECM for protection. The P series variants did not come with ECM.
P.S This person’s article also contains a claim about a MiG-25BM being equipped with R-60 missiles.
No, I don’t recall them installing CM pods on the MiG-25BM, but they did on the MiG-25RBF. I think in 1981 they figured that they wouldn’t be able to use just its speed to escape threats anymore while doing recon.
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Thank you very much. You happen to know where you read this info? So I can put it into the sources?
Also, what do you know about the R-60s on the BM, if you don’t mind me asking?