I got you, bro. I will get the name. Are you going to draw another picture if I do? Will you take the time to draw another picture? What would say? " I was angry and drew a picture, I am not and her’s this one"?
You know they even developed the cable line cut of the F4 phantoms front and placed it on the Mig23. Not knowing what it did nor as carrier platform. Only doing so because because they had no idea what it was and was not a carrier aircraft.
thats a fascinating claim, but do you perhaps have a source to back it up :3
Well, it doesn’t copy the Phantom… convergent evolution of design happens because countries leapfrog each other with technology and then they catch up again. Aerodynamic laws are universal. When someone comes up with something new and “meta”, they either get countered or matched.
When something works, it works. It was a lightweight and simple intake design, but the MiG-23 certainly didn’t “copy” the Phantoms dimensionally or bolt for bolt.
I will get it. I am looking for the purchased book file on it. But what am I going to get out of it? Are you going to maybe not draw pictures making fun of other’s opinions because I guess it made you angry?
I don’t think anyone is emotional about this, I’m glad you’re here to share the common misconceptions so we can squash them so early in the thread. It’s why you’re here.
you said the mig23 copied from the f4 and went just trust me bro
Wow you really aren’t happy about that meme, btw I didnt draw that lmao I just copied it from discord since this is a common misconception that gets memed on alot:
Is it just me or is it taking pretty long for gaijin to correct the RWR of the ML and MLA to the spo-10?
No, I do not care, I keep bringing it up as a joke and make fun of you by highlighting how you must spend your free time and where in your mind lies as priority and what little you must have for the actual.
Additionally, I do think it’s interesting that this very small, insignificant belief bothers so much that you felt it required to meme it. I did not even know many people thought this to the point it required one.
I guess I can now see why people heard the word intake, instead of mechanization of, and seeing that they look alike and state the whole thing itself exact copies though. Being that the F-4 is a two-engine aircraft requiring differing airflows.
Anyway, still looking for the book, even my laptop.
ML(A) also have BVP-50-60 they never had was only found on the MLD, tho if gaijan doesnt want to cut down their CM count to 12, Syrian and Iraqi MLs had ASO-2s on their backs
Russian MiG-23ML was fit with the MLA upgrades but never called “MLA” in Russian service. It also equipped the upgraded chaff / flare launchers. Another common misconception.
yes this is true
No the BVP-50-60 was only MLD aircraft, you are thinking of PKVP-23 which started with the MLD but was later retrofitted to other MiG-23 variants
I don’t think so, I’ll pull up sources when I’m back from dinner.
BVP-50-60 needed structural modifications and also a new management and interface in cockpit because it has a panel that indicates system state, remaining flares and buttons placed at the throttle
which is why its only found in MLDs (and I think tested on a single UB?)
Later Russian MLs may have received these modifications and also ASP-17ML gunsight among other features.
ASP-17ML was already found in ML aircraft it was part of the 23-12A upgrade and I believe most older 23-12 aircraft were converted to this standard since you rarely see MLs with ASP-23DTSM
I think sustained turn rate should be the same at the higher (optimal) speeds, as unless AoA is very high (which usually is not the case when rate fighting in an aircraft with high aspect ratio wings) slats won’t increase efficiency (MiG-29 polar diagrams i posted about a week or 2 ago on the MiG-29 thread show this very well, how slats are making the aircraft more efficient only at higher AoAs, that in the MiG-29 case are reached but probably not on the MiG-23 case).
I’ll also take a look at the ML/MLA str rate charts, because current performance seems to good to me compared to 4th gen fighters given the difference in thrust to weight. Although it has everything else going for it for being a good rate fighter (high aspect ratio wings and low wing loading).
I’d very much like you to look into it. The leading edge slat matters because it reduces departure qualities during tighten-downs and at low airspeeds improves sustained turn rate thanks to the fact that it often requires more AoA in those regions.
We won’t know for certain about MLD until the manual is scanned and uploaded by the owner (unlikely).
Yes parts were interchangeable. Not the actual gun. Again, Soviet doctrine dictates many working parts can be used in maintaining the mechanization of weapon systems. This doctrine is not limited to Frontal Aviation of the Soviet Union either. Many parts were made small parts of systems are interchangeable as advantage in large scale war.
Hmmm perhaps the pilot mentioned parts and the article miswrote. Not a possibility? I know you take a lot of old interviews copied from magazines and place them as official source instead of interview like the Matra interview regarding the Magic. I suspect you are hyper focusing again on the small insignificant again and your tick kicks in and will then block out any evidence to the contrary. You and I know once that little tick gets going, there is literally no convincing you otherwise.
Btw what is the “giant book to this day” ? What is the name and why would the US feel its needed to provide misinformation regarding a top-secret program evaluation years AFTER the fact about a insignificant fighter jet that was quite literally a failure in the technological, historical and tactical sense?
It is hilarious that some video gamer on the internet is acting like the program failed in understanding the Mig23 though it was a black program and infinitely funded at the height of the cold war with the one purpose of determining maximum capability of the Russian and Chinese fighters they had.
You know this reminds me of the time you said you actually know more than the US AF about their weapons systems. Remember that? lol.
Waiting for you to share your sources but the live video of him making a ton of false claims is on YouTube.
