Gaijin is just not MiG pilled anymore, look at the MiG-23, the MiG-29s…
Fucked up radar, and the MiG-29s are underperforming like crazy and we’ve had like none in the past 2 years.
I also used to fight it a lot like you, but I just started to not care anymore even tho the 23 is one of my favorite planes, I just gave up I guess.
The mig-29 is overperforming in sustained rate… Is it not?
I doubt it, but regardless, the MiG-29 is a bad example I guess as it is close if not matching IRL performance, and perhaps it is the CL/CD that is fucked idk but I guess its the opponents it fights that are overperforming.
I’ve never heard the 29 overperforming in STR tho, by how much would it be?
I posted a chart
Damn so it is overperforming by like 2-3 degrees/s?
can you explain?
iam not able to read russian and most of the times translators are not the best when it comes to translating russian
Unfortunately, my knowledge of English is not enough to explain such complex things, so I mostly use machine translation services myself. But in short, I’m trying to explain to the developers how the MIG-23 radar should work according to the documentation, taking into account the mechanics of the game.
ah ok, i know what is fundamentely wrong with it.
Because I have the East-German Mig-23 manual
In particular, I’m saying that the mechanics of the game do not take into account the changing tilt of the radar antenna during gating. and that in real life, the radar can make part of the passes in the PSK(SRC) mode, and the other part in the SDC(MPI)mode. And if the mechanics of the game do not allow you to simulate this behavior, then you should turn on the SDC(MPI) mode with an average antenna tilt below 7 degrees to the horizon.
I also described a new problem with the radar that appeared after their “fix”.
there is also this bug-report in english describing the same problem:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vQbSF865Q4V8
Radar Search Mode Behavior and Suggested SDC Threshold Adjustment
When the antenna operates in search mode, it tilts slightly up and down, allowing the radar to perform multiple scan passes. The Moving Target Detection (MTD) mode activates when the antenna tilts below 2.5 degrees relative to the horizon.
Now, consider a scenario where the antenna’s average tilt is exactly 2.5 degrees. What happens in this case? The antenna completes 4 passes per full scan:
- 2 passes above 2.5 degrees (operating in search mode, or “PSK”).
- 2 passes below 2.5 degrees (operating in MTD mode, or “SDC”).
However, the game’s current mechanics do not accurately simulate this behavior. To better reflect real-world radar operation and improve gameplay consistency, I propose increasing the SDC activation threshold to 7 degrees.
Yes, I am aware of this report, and I checked it out, but I created my own report anyway, as I believe that I have accurately defined the mechanics of radar behavior in it, taking into account the current mechanics of the game. Well, it’s just easier for me to describe the problem in my native language.
Yesterday, I was quite optimistic about the current state of affairs regarding the MIG-23 radar, and I thought that the problem would be solved with the upcoming update, but after today’s “fix” I realized that the developer did not understand at all what the problem was with their radar implementation. They think they did everything right, even though they didn’t. And I intend to explain it clearly to them.
I think the automatic MTI is absolute BS that only causes problems and they should get rid of it. Plus it would be much more realistic since the radar on the MiG-23 has the option to manually change the mode.
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No, it isn’t. The charts you posted are for a heavier model, the 9-12 performs as a 9-12 should and that chart just confirms the 9-13’s and similar also perform accurately when it pertains to flat sustained turn rate at a given altitude.
Specific excess power is still incorrect, SEP is too low at higher angles of attack imo.
I completely rewrote the report according to the documentation for the Saphir-23MLA radar. This radar has no restrictions on the MPI mode and this needs to be fixed.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Dcq2es51qZPW
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Very good work. I hope that they will approve it and fix it soon as possible.
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You should also put the mig23 mld in the title