if that acceleration nerf gets through then yea maybe it deserve to be 10.7 but i still think it should be 11.0 minimum.
also - i knew it has stupidly fast acceleration and shouldnt be the case, knowing the plane’s airframe material and thrust/weight
Well, it cant do both. It can only hit mach 3 at above 20km and only if you’re not carrying missiles. Frankly in that situation you’d be so much better off with the R40td than the r60.
Guys it’s only the first dev implementation, with likely 0 things modelled correctly rn, there’s already a list of at least 7 accepted reports which are absolutely gonna nuke this thing, just have patience and see how things develop in the next days of dev patches.
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well, it can reach insane speeds at a BR where it can face flareless subsonics. It will make so many things unplayable.
Hawk200 RDA is 11.3 with similar kit, yet its flight performance is about 1/3 the speed considering its playing the same role in AirRB. Get it too 11.3, or move the RDA down to 10.7 so it can counter it
The only reason I could see it staying 10.7 is bc wt playerbase is downright brain damaged and WILL play it low alt and WILL try to turnfight with it and just get bodied and thus allowing actual competent players to club at 10.7
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is it? if the SARH missile can be defeated with a single pop of chaff then it wont be as deadly as i thought. But still should be 11.0 minimum cuz 9.7 can do nothing against 4x r60m
I don’t see how sitting in space being unkillable helps you win games i guess? just strafe ground targets. Sure its fast, sure it can fly super high. Its also got a fairly mid kit in that its main weapon, the R40rd is guided by a non pd radar and will probably just get 1 chaffed and unlike the R24r this missile has no IOG. It shouldnt fight flareless planes imo, but it should still be relatively playable. Problem, as always, boils down to the compression. And again, 10.7 is too low.
It can just not die if it wants to. It will face chafflar flareless and rwrless planes that will just be helpless. Its really just unhealthy for a game to have something you cant counter.
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It can’t be 11.0, because superior aircraft are 11.0: F-4EJ, Mig-23M/MF, and F-5Es exist at 11.0.
EJ has equivalent radar missiles with a superior countermeasures system, flight performance, and acceleration.
The only way Mig-25 can ever win against F-4EJ is with a skill gap.
Mig-25 has the worst agility of any jet “fighter” in the game, it cannot dodge radar missiles of AIM-7E and superior.
F-104S is the fastest vehicle at 11.3. Is it equal to Mig-23ML and MLA/D? No, because it has worse weapons and flight performance outside its superior top speed AND acceleration.
Mig-25 only has top speed, not acceleration.
Mig-25 is currently over-performing in thrust on dev server, so its dev server acceleration data is not usable, and even then it’s slower than F-4E in the subsonic range.
Edit: The R-40s when shot off boresight by a lesser amount than AIM-7Es missed both times against the AI Mig-15s while the AIM-7Es from EJ connected at maximum boresight limit.
Both launched when they’d actually track the target.
That’s 25Gs from AIM-7E vs “20G” for you I guess.
No gun and can’t turn. Seems like a good place to me. Can only carry 2-4 missiles worth taking too. 11.0 or 11.3 seems a bit better balanced though IMHO.
It has the same seeker as the r24r so it does have IOG, also it is CW so chaffing is still defeated by just keeping the lock even if it “apears” that your radar is following the chaff
IOG doesn’t help when its maximum overload is 20G at up to mach 4.
Not my point, he claimed that it didnt had IOG, i just corrected him.
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It doesnt have IOG on dev. so idk what to tell you.
I stand corrected.
I really have no idea how gaijin thinks this thing is even remotely 10.3 material with it’s weapons alone, the R-40RDs just takes a dump all over the sparrows even up to 11.3.
The only sparrow that is superior to it is somehow the first 7Fs.
Combined with 90Ms this thing is so comically under tiered its crazy.
Edit : Didn’t even take into account that this thing has missiles with IOG and a PD radar at 10.3.
This is mega seal clubbing so hard its not even a contest.
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Imo 11.3 is just too high. 11.0 would be good since it still sucks balls up close
I mean to be fair it is the first dev server but yeah there is no way it stays 10.3