MiG 29's and Su 27's flight models

Maybe you flew into the ground one too many times.

No, not exactly. Climbing was still viable, even if you had sparrows.

Turning into a notch/crank does not take much effort at all. Flanker MER at the high altitudes and speeds is not particularly bad.
Why i said this anyway is because you want to remove the R-27ER from it, in an environment where it is already badly outclassed by FOX-3.

Toptier meta is missile combat, not BFM dueling. Giving Su-27S a better sustained turn rate wouldnt help too much in terms of normal A2A combat.

It isnt overpowered, clearly you dont know how to defeat a FOX-1.

Youre half right. If it goes to 12.3 it will be ass. If it stays 12.0 it will be nuts.

The person with the AMRAAM always holds the advantage. He can go defensive while his missile guides in. Your missile is defeated but his is still on the way. You lose the fight, even with R-27ER.

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You could win at high altitude and long range with sparrows, if you cranked enough. It works only when the enemy flies straight at you and does nothing. At medium ranges/altitudes r27 er is just too fast.

Planes that carry r77s can keep them as a side grade. Every fox 1 missile is badly outclassed by fox 3s, it doesn’t change the fact that also every fox 1 missile is badly outclassed by r27 er. If decompression happens, r27 er will dominate again.

F4f ice is 12.7 for a reason.

From a bvr fight both players can come out alive, simply because at such long range you get plenty of time to abort. When people learn bvr, it will happen a lot more often. That rarely happens with dogfights, someone will die.

That’s why dogfights will always be there. If you want to make sure you kill the enemy, you will push for a dogfight. I’m mainly talking about sim, as air rb is oversaturated with players, but even in air rb you get furballs, not exactly 1v1 dogfights, but still. In furballs ir missiles are better and flight model matters.

No way, that’s the whole point of fox 3s. You will never kill a fox 3 carrier with your fox 1 and survive.

I bet though that with r27 er you could pull it off. R27 er has inertial guidance and data link, you could break the lock to notch and lock your target again, not to mention that mig 29smt doesn’t even have to break the lock, since it has a radar with 90 degrees gimble limits. It’s also so fast that the enemy probably wouldn’t have enough time to guide his fox 3 into pitbull range before r27 er gets to him, he goes for a notch, while you just get out of the way of inertial guidance while keeping a lock and launching another one. You can even gain ground fighting against fox 3s with r27 er. It’s so good, that theoretically you can fight fox 3s with it, which only further proves it has no business going up against an aim 7m.

Sooner or later current top tier will be moved up to 13.3 or 13.7, then it will be perfect at 12.3.

It is over powered. the R27-ER could only be fired wings level. Its acceleration is also way too high.

Also the Mig-29 should only be carrying 2 R27s or 2 77s. But not 6.

Oh hey, Stolen Valor returns.
R-27ER has never been overpowered.
AIM-7F, its equivalent, is at 0.7 BR lower.

Mig-29s can only carry 2 R-27s.
Mig-29s can and do carry 6 R-77s though; claiming otherwise is claiming F-16 can only carry 2 AIM-120s…

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The flight model is overperforming not under performing. I just tested this.

With a drop tank turns were limited to 3.5G or less. Currently you can pull 9G. Wings should be gone.

I was able to go go Mach 1.28/980+mph. This aircraft was only capable of 1.09 or 850mph at sea level.

This means it is over performing by more than 16%.

So the f14 shouldn’t be capable of carrying weapons while being supersonic on the deck? The f16 can pull 14g with a drop tank currently when the irl limit is 6g?

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So if going by flight model Alone is the mig29smt better or worse than the su27 and how is the su27sm in comparison?

smt is worse than both of the su27s

Russian players when they arent #1

Months of cope, and no bug reports because the FMs are correct. Eventually the community will have to come to terms with how the Soviets and now Russians fell behind and never caught up. The best Flankers will be Chinese, and the best REDFOR will be chinese, its the way it is.

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I have the mig29smt with only 2 r77 don’t get why people are trash Talking them all the time
Seams they are too used to the r27er / aim7m Meta

77s are alright, they are no 120s and gaijin iirc has a bit too much drag on them but they are serviceable, SMT airframe is just too fat while missing the thing that makes it fat its ecm suite. Currently for arh combat smt is the better aircraft just cause it has double the datalink channels the 27sm has (4 vs 2).

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I need support to improve Mig 29 please
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/NZ1Lg23Tkl96

Just a better rwr and I would be happy the detection angles are Still bad
I always have to level out to know if the Missile is still on me not to mention missiles from above sometimes go undetected

Why do I mostly see Mirage comparisons?
Afaik the Mirage is a Delta wing which means amazing turn rate
But abysmal Energy preservation while doing so

Even if it seams hard to implement
Looking at you Gripen

Because it is an example. to compare the maneuverability of both aircrafts even if this is a better mig 29 it should at least have a maneuverability a little worse or even equal to the mirage 2000. In the game the mirage 2000 and the mig 29 is totally inferior in the game.

I feel like the Mirage is to great
And doesn’t lose enough in a turn

I mean that the MiG 29 has nothing to do against the Mirage 2000 in the game, the model that they put on the MiG 29 is totally fantastical, with engines worse than those of a MiG 21.

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It does bother me that the mig29 and mig21 have almost the same one circle performance when that quite obviously shouldn’t be the case.

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Source?

I don’t get why nobody cares that the su24 is missing over 2000kgf of engine power per engine
But go completely nuts over the mig29/su27

The game is my source. Go do a one circle fight mig21 vs mig29 and you’ll see they perform about the same fm wise. People are upset because the mig29/su27 are just plain gimped meanwhile the f15 and f16 both overperform by miles compared to reality and even by war thunders f’d up standards.

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