lol kind of off-topic, but did anyone try the F-4E at 11.0. Now that multipathing is almost gone it should be cracked.
R73 mean nothing now with longer range missiles, and they are easy to flare
No… R-27ER is not and never was overpowered. Everyone could just invalidate it by flying low.
What does a flight model have to do with BVR performance, realistically? Taking its R-27ERs just makes the situation ever more hopeless for the MiG.
Ok, look. Russian bias isnt real. R-27 was very strong kinematically IRL but suffered from extremely poor reliability rates. NATO BVR dominance is due to the outright superior radars, and doesnt really begin to materialize until we reach FOX-3 tiers.
This would be horrible for balance. Flanker survives on its (now obsolete) missile kit, throwing every point into its offense.
R-73s are nuts at 12.0, especially considering Magic 2s are on a Mirage 2000 at 11.3 and 11.7, and have no issue dunking on everything. R-73 is even stronger, and you get 6, not 2. Moving them up to 12.3 just screws them over, as the meta up there is FOX-3 spam, not IRCCM furballs.
As i continue to reiterate… R-27ER is not “overpowered” or broken or anything. At this point, I’d say it is quite bad, unless youre playing a Yak-141/MiG-29 downtier just due to the FOX-3s invalidating FOX-1s.
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You must be trolling.
No, everyone HAD TO fly low, BECAUSE of the r27 er. There was no other way to survive. The main reason being it’s top speed of mach 5.8, which is still the highest in the game.
This makes me think you’ve never cranked at high altitude. Once you drop below mach 1 it’s over, you lose all your speed. And that’s me saying it, playing u.s. planes with good energy retention. Imagine how easy it is to dump all your speed in a mig 29 or an su27 rn.
I’m not saying r27 er wasn’t very strong kinematically. I’m saying it’s waaay too good to be considered an aim 7m equal. R27 er was introduced in 1990. Aim 120 was introduced in 1991 and r77 in 1994. The real aim 7m counterpart is r27 r. Aim 7m was introduced in 1982 and r27 r in 1983.
If it had it’s flight model improved, then it wouldn’t survive only because of missiles, would it. In dcs flanker has only 1 degree per second worse turn rate than f15. And has a literal cobra button.
How is, taking r27 ers, buffing the flight model, giving it r73s, and buffing the r27 r to make it realistic and on par with aim 7m, making the mig 29 hopeless. You must understand that you trade an op bvr missile for a balanced and still very competitive bvr missile and you gain a better flight model and what would be the strongest ir missile at 12.0.
R73 would be nuts at 12.0 in the previous patch. Now as you said bvr is the meta, as it always should’ve been. R73 while still being a very strong missile and a serious addition for the mig 29, wouldn’t make the mig 29 op. Btw bvr is now the meta now NOT because of fox 3s, but because of multipathing nerf. If they made an 11.0-12.0 bracket in sim, the r27 er would completely destroy this br bracket.
R27 er is “quite bad” against fox 3s? No way, it’s not like any fox 1 missile is dogshit against fox 3s. The fact that you say it’s “quite bad” only proves how strong it really is, if it can in your opinion somewhat keep up with fox 3s, but it’s quite bad compared to them.
Maybe you flew into the ground one too many times.
No, not exactly. Climbing was still viable, even if you had sparrows.
Turning into a notch/crank does not take much effort at all. Flanker MER at the high altitudes and speeds is not particularly bad.
Why i said this anyway is because you want to remove the R-27ER from it, in an environment where it is already badly outclassed by FOX-3.
Toptier meta is missile combat, not BFM dueling. Giving Su-27S a better sustained turn rate wouldnt help too much in terms of normal A2A combat.
It isnt overpowered, clearly you dont know how to defeat a FOX-1.
Youre half right. If it goes to 12.3 it will be ass. If it stays 12.0 it will be nuts.
The person with the AMRAAM always holds the advantage. He can go defensive while his missile guides in. Your missile is defeated but his is still on the way. You lose the fight, even with R-27ER.
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You could win at high altitude and long range with sparrows, if you cranked enough. It works only when the enemy flies straight at you and does nothing. At medium ranges/altitudes r27 er is just too fast.
Planes that carry r77s can keep them as a side grade. Every fox 1 missile is badly outclassed by fox 3s, it doesn’t change the fact that also every fox 1 missile is badly outclassed by r27 er. If decompression happens, r27 er will dominate again.
F4f ice is 12.7 for a reason.
From a bvr fight both players can come out alive, simply because at such long range you get plenty of time to abort. When people learn bvr, it will happen a lot more often. That rarely happens with dogfights, someone will die.
That’s why dogfights will always be there. If you want to make sure you kill the enemy, you will push for a dogfight. I’m mainly talking about sim, as air rb is oversaturated with players, but even in air rb you get furballs, not exactly 1v1 dogfights, but still. In furballs ir missiles are better and flight model matters.
No way, that’s the whole point of fox 3s. You will never kill a fox 3 carrier with your fox 1 and survive.
I bet though that with r27 er you could pull it off. R27 er has inertial guidance and data link, you could break the lock to notch and lock your target again, not to mention that mig 29smt doesn’t even have to break the lock, since it has a radar with 90 degrees gimble limits. It’s also so fast that the enemy probably wouldn’t have enough time to guide his fox 3 into pitbull range before r27 er gets to him, he goes for a notch, while you just get out of the way of inertial guidance while keeping a lock and launching another one. You can even gain ground fighting against fox 3s with r27 er. It’s so good, that theoretically you can fight fox 3s with it, which only further proves it has no business going up against an aim 7m.
Sooner or later current top tier will be moved up to 13.3 or 13.7, then it will be perfect at 12.3.
It is over powered. the R27-ER could only be fired wings level. Its acceleration is also way too high.
Also the Mig-29 should only be carrying 2 R27s or 2 77s. But not 6.
Oh hey, Stolen Valor returns.
R-27ER has never been overpowered.
AIM-7F, its equivalent, is at 0.7 BR lower.
Mig-29s can only carry 2 R-27s.
Mig-29s can and do carry 6 R-77s though; claiming otherwise is claiming F-16 can only carry 2 AIM-120s…
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The flight model is overperforming not under performing. I just tested this.
With a drop tank turns were limited to 3.5G or less. Currently you can pull 9G. Wings should be gone.
I was able to go go Mach 1.28/980+mph. This aircraft was only capable of 1.09 or 850mph at sea level.
This means it is over performing by more than 16%.
So the f14 shouldn’t be capable of carrying weapons while being supersonic on the deck? The f16 can pull 14g with a drop tank currently when the irl limit is 6g?
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So if going by flight model Alone is the mig29smt better or worse than the su27 and how is the su27sm in comparison?
smt is worse than both of the su27s
Russian players when they arent #1…
Months of cope, and no bug reports because the FMs are correct. Eventually the community will have to come to terms with how the Soviets and now Russians fell behind and never caught up. The best Flankers will be Chinese, and the best REDFOR will be chinese, its the way it is.
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I have the mig29smt with only 2 r77 don’t get why people are trash Talking them all the time
Seams they are too used to the r27er / aim7m Meta
77s are alright, they are no 120s and gaijin iirc has a bit too much drag on them but they are serviceable, SMT airframe is just too fat while missing the thing that makes it fat its ecm suite. Currently for arh combat smt is the better aircraft just cause it has double the datalink channels the 27sm has (4 vs 2).
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I need support to improve Mig 29 please
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/NZ1Lg23Tkl96
Just a better rwr and I would be happy the detection angles are Still bad
I always have to level out to know if the Missile is still on me not to mention missiles from above sometimes go undetected
Why do I mostly see Mirage comparisons?
Afaik the Mirage is a Delta wing which means amazing turn rate
But abysmal Energy preservation while doing so
Even if it seams hard to implement
Looking at you Gripen
Because it is an example. to compare the maneuverability of both aircrafts even if this is a better mig 29 it should at least have a maneuverability a little worse or even equal to the mirage 2000. In the game the mirage 2000 and the mig 29 is totally inferior in the game.
I feel like the Mirage is to great
And doesn’t lose enough in a turn
I mean that the MiG 29 has nothing to do against the Mirage 2000 in the game, the model that they put on the MiG 29 is totally fantastical, with engines worse than those of a MiG 21.
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