Mig 29s 9-12 and 9-13 need to be reworked

[Grossaaaa]

Don’t drag him in there, never said that he is wrong. I am also not a duelist, but @Leinadmix9_ツ and I can duel and we’ll probably see the same result.

[Leinadmix9_ツ]

What kind of gaslight is this Alvis? He is literally saying that I was right all along(???)

[AlvisWisla]

You just did.
Me: “Mirage 2000 is better in 1v1s.”
You: “You’re wrong.”
Prove the Mirage 2000 isn’t better in 1v1s or acknowledge Lein and I were correct.

[Grossaaaa]

Man ran out of wrong statistics to prove his nonexistent point so he’s now trying to gaslight. Anyway, you up for a duel?

[Leinadmix9_ツ]

Sure, but results will be tha same

[AlvisWisla]

@Grossaaaa
No one’s gaslighting:

@AlvisWisla

Edit: I guess according to your post, Statshark is wrong too.

Granted, I didn’t use Statshark for this cause you can only get estimates of clean loadouts.
The fact I used non-clean loadouts, and with R-27ERs [the draggiest missiles Mig-29 has] put Mig-29 at all the disadvantage for that turn rate speed test, and it still won for air modes. And Mirage 2000 won for 1v1s.

Not my fault you didn’t read this graph earlier that proves me right about Mirage 2000 being better in 1v1s.

[TuxedoBird]

You never wrote the word “compression” in the sentences I quoted, and stating that the 29G and SMT are under-BR’d is pure and utter nonsense.

Tell your programmer to do a better job next time, AI.

[Leinadmix9_ツ]

@AlvisWisla

Prove the Mirage 2000 isn’t better in 1v1s or acknowledge Lein and I were correct.

Sorry, small correction: I was right and you were wrong since you said M2K was worse than MiG-29

[unluckyg]

@AlvisWisla

Glad you agree with us duelists.

-us duelists- lmfao

[Grossaaaa]

@Grossaaaa

The Mirage2000s have WAY better FMs, 2 Magic 2s and 530Ds

@Grossaaaa

@AlvisWisla

Mirage 2000 has a worse flight model.

That’s just plain wrong.

@Grossaaaa

Statshark shows the Mirage turning circle as tighter, what the fuck are you on about?

@Grossaaaa

Next time don’t leave out the bars description man, it literally shows that the M2K outperforms the 29 at basically all speeds.

@AlvisWisla

Mirage 2000 has a slightly worse flight model.

Gaslighting hard man.

[AlvisWisla]

In air modes.*
I never said 1v1s outside the graph which I said Mirage 2000 was better in.

[Leinadmix9_ツ]

@AlvisWisla

In air modes.*

No, you literally said flight model, dont gaslight us now when i quoted you here

[Grossaaaa]

You just edited that last paragraph onto that post man.

[AlvisWisla]

@Leinadmix9_ツ For air modes.*

Mirage 2000 is better in 1v1s, do you and @Grossaaaa agree with me or not?

[Grossaaaa]

As I expect.

[Leinadmix9_ツ]

@AlvisWisla

@Leinadmix9_ツ For air modes.*
Stop gaslighting the planet dude.
I’m seriously concerned why you hate the dueling community like this.

This is beyond bait and gaslight lmao.

@Grossaaaa i will invite you to a custom

[AlvisWisla]

@Leinadmix9_ツ
Apparently calling Mirage 2000 better in 1v1s makes you a gaslighter.
Sad.

[pooqich]

this thread is hilarious, razervon is never recovering from this

but for real though, mig29 without its signature weapon? thats a real shame

[Grossaaaa]

@AlvisWisla

Mirage 2000 has a slightly worse flight model.

@AlvisWisla

Would you look at that, Mirage 2000 sustains energy 1 degree less per second than Mig-29 9.13.

@AlvisWisla

They literally couldn’t be more parity, and fun-fact Mig-29’s energy retention only INCREASES beyond Mirage 2000’s the faster it goes because it gains ~46% more thrust, compared to the ~17% more thrust Mirage 2000 gets at the same speed.

@AlvisWisla

Thanks for admitting that Mig-29 is better by posting.

@AlvisWisla

Tighter turning circle is not a faster turn rate, and is irrelevant to air RB whose engagements are almost exclusively >550kph. The primary reason why the energy retention test can’t be done at higher speeds is pilot G-limits.

@AlvisWisla

Gross, I know you want to believe that Mig-29 9.12/9.13 is bad but it really isn’t. It’s the 2nd best 12.7 in the game right now only beaten by F-16A.

@AlvisWisla

lolno Mig-29 is not a bad airframe.

These are all the times you called the MIG-29 better than the M2K, or good overall.

Saying that the M2K is better now that you been definetely proven wrong shows how you’re gaslighting.

As to how it’s going with the duel, the M2K has been consistently cumbstomping the 29s.

[AlvisWisla]

@Grossaaaa
Yes, ALL in the context of AIR MODES, namely addressing RB and SB as I haven’t played air arcade with any of these jets.
Air RB cares more about speed and energy retention at speed.

And in the one instance I implied 1v1 is the Statshark graph showing the <450kph stats, and later made that implication explicit.

I’ve been calling Mirage 2000 better than Mig-29 in 1v1s since Apex Predators dev server, and doubled down in February of 2023. Granted that was on Discord servers at the time since I wasn’t a forum regular at that time.

So yeah, you haven’t proven my statements wrong.
My claims: Mig-29 is better in air RB and air SB.
Mirage 2000 is better in 1v1s.

I’m glad you agree with me that Mirage 2000 is better in 1v1s. Not sure why you’re claiming that to be wrong at the same time though.

We had a misunderstanding, I apologize that I wasn’t clear enough to be talking about air modes for all those statements, and I apologize it took me longer than it should’ve to explain the graph more.