Harrier GR7 is not a supersonic fighter
thats why i am putting the mig29 at 12.7. with more but objectively worse missiles. yes dogfighting doesnt exist but the serverload makes r73 to flatspin a lot and hence you would have to make it lead
ARB isn’t a 20 km drag race. These speed differences are negligle for general gameplay.
That’s a kilometer more on the MIG. Overal more user-friendly due to the fact that you can select who you want to lock in the battle, but not as important as you make it out to be.
Again, both planes are large airbrakes. This doesn’t matter. Turning at 2G isn’t going to do much for you.
Yadda Yadda, R27ERs are good at extremely long range, but can be countered by flying low. Phoenixes and Fakours kill you before you enter the NEZ of the 27ER headon. Turn performance is the exactly the same as the 27Rs.
No one here has said that the 29 should be .3 lower. What we are saying is that in the curent matchmaker, at the current BRs, the 9-12 and 9-13 are performing subpar and are extremely unfun to play. You shoot 2 R27ERs, get 2 more or less free kills and then get stuck with a missile that can be found as early as 10.0? at 12.7. Removing the ERs and giving the players even just two R73s would force players to fight closer to the enemy but give them a chance to win at close ranges with the more than subpar FM of the 29s. (We literally fought the thing with a Kfir C7 and it neraly lost).
Which again, this is about AIR RB. FMs don’t mean a lot at the higher tiers unless you talk levels of busted like the EF2000, Rafale or the F15E.
The Mig-29 can do one thing, bleed a lot of speed and float behind someone. As soon as you have a semblence of brain, you can start preflaring the probably incoming R73. After that, it’s stuck at 500km/h.
That will make it a worse 21 Bison at the same BR.
That’s just a plain lie, sometimes you just get surprised by a fox-1 at 61m altitude while fighting someone and die.
Ok, so you “dont die to SARH missiles” and that is the only “advantage” of the 29 over the m2k, i guess we can agree then that even for air rb the M2K is better than the mig 29 9.12 and 9.13 then, since missiles dont matter and M2K has better fm = M2K > mig 29
So yeah, give mig29 r73 e remove the r27ers
R-73s are not inferior to AIM-9Ms, and there are 6 of them.
The only way Mig-29 is 12.7 with R-73s is if ALL 12.7s move to 12.3 except Mig-29, and F-16A with 9Ms, Gripen, Mig-29G, etc move to 12.7. Some incorrectly call that compression, I call it bad decisions.
F-15E has a worse flight model than Mirage 2000 and Mig-29… you don’t see people complaining about that fact because it goes fast with the highest TWR in the game.
F-15E is to F-15C what F-104S is to Kurnass.\
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Then Mig-29 goes to 13.0 with F-16A 9M, Gripen, Mig-29G, etc.
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r73 can very well get flared within 2km upto 1.3km, AIM9m in comparison has nearly same flare res for all ranges due to its irccm nature. aim9m is much harder to flare than a r73. only thing r73 has over it is its 40g pull and tvc(which is actually bad because it causes it to flatspin)
not to mention the useless rwr called the spo 15
R-73s only “flatspin” at super low speeds. Literally haven’t had one flat spin outside of intentional attempts to cause it cause I don’t get slow enough to cause it.
SPO-15 is a good enough RWR, good enough for me 1.9:1 KDR in both of my fighter 29s against F-14s and F-4Js.
SPO-15 gives general direction and launch warnings.
spo15 and good enough? yeah
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46% fuel vs 75% though
Mig-29 would be better than the Mig-21Bis cause it’s not a 21Bis.
Mig-21Bis doesn’t perform anywhere as well as a Mig-29/Mirage 2000/F-16/F-14A/the 4th jet I can’t check.
F-15E and Mig-29SMT do not have busted flight models.
If you’re bleeding speed, stop pulling so hard.
I’ve never died to an AIM-54 unintentionally [literally the only time I died to it was in the Tornado MFG intentionally seeing what would happen if I didn’t do anything], and the 2 times I died to F-90s I was being a zomber in… bombers.
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Percentages don’t tell you the AB burn time. If I did it based on percentages, then Mig-29 would pull further ahead despite having less fuel for afterburner.
Percentages tell weight of fuel. you compared to a plane almost empty in fuel to one almost full of it.
I agree that they are not busted.
The only aircraft in game that is and needs a huge rework due to lack of performance is the Harriers.
Mirage 2000 with 46% fuel = 5 minutes on full AB.
Mig-29 with 76% [100% internal] fuel = 4.8 minutes on full AB.
I’m logging fuel consumption of every BVR jet in WT, this data will be public in time.
People will know what 5 minutes of full AB is for all BVR jets is in time.
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That’s a good idea.
That will push them to 13.0.
R-73s on a good platform would not be balanced at 12.7, because then it becomes closer to a Gripen or F-16 with only 9Ms.
It would simply be overpowered at 12.7, and I don’t understand how people think it wouldnt be.
yeah and it should also be a user’s right to say when another user is chronically wrong and saying outlandish things unless you are fine with trolls and/or people muddying the waters in every thread (what am I saying, of course you guys are fine with that)
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Maybe 13.0 assuming TT goes up. Otherwise no way.
They honestly need to make a rule against ragebaiting imo.
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Ragebaiting and trolling is a rule violation already.
I already unintentionally follow the rules cause I’m exclusively sincere and only address posts, not people.
im a little late to this discussion but i do agree the mig-29 needs to be looked at and reconfigured.
i find a good idea is for the german and hungary mig-29 9.12 remove the r-27er since they were also not exported and add the r-27r1 but keep the r-60m and bring them down to 12.3br.
this can also be done for the russian mig-29 9.13 if they would add the mig-29s 9.13s with r73 and r-27er
bring down the mig-29g and mig-29s 9.13s (r-73 version) to 12.7br.
i agree 12.7 and 13.0 are the correct br for the mig-29 but the problem is br compression at 13.0br. at 13.0 everyone takes a Su-33 or Su-27.
orrr they all get the r-73 and the r-27er at 12.7br. idk what to do with the mig-29g then. maybe give it fox3 like the smt but it’s hard to find info on the mig-29g. all i know is nato standard.
The Mig-29G in its current form should be at 13.0 with R-73s and R-27ERs. It’s main issue is the BR compression at that tier, but outside of that it’s fine.
I wouldn’t mind if the earlier German and Hungarian ones went to 12.3, because I think they would be too good at 12.7 with R-73s.
I’m not sure what to do with the Russian variant.