MIG 29-9.12/.13 and F16 ADF BR change POLL

There still gonna R27R1 and aim7M/F the only plane loosing anything is mig 29 because it could not carry R27ER without MIG-29S upgrade

so for clarification would be R27R1 and AIM7M with R73 and AIM-9M

Because why the hell would they be 12.7 with R-73? 11.7s shouldn’t have to fight that!
13.0s just need to go up, regardless of if 13.3+ goes up as well.

problem is we need top tiers to go up which should happen soon

R-27ER is primarily a motor [and receiver maybe] replacement electronically speaking.
It and R-27R are seen as the same missile in the system.

yeah so its fine ?

it isnt, the r-27er wasnt even in service for atleast 5 to 10 more years after the mig-29 entered service

the r-27er was never exported to germany or hungary
same for the r-27t and r-27et

but do you know what entered service, together with the mig-29?

The r-73

yeah i know thats why im trying my best to get it added

Moving them to 13.0 with IRCCM missiles, they will be subpar anyway since F-15As and Su-27 are better in essentially everything. We already got the mig-29G at 13.0, but there isn’t any real reason to use it if you have a flanker

mig 29 g would be ideally 13.3 and su27/33 and F15A would be 13.7

many ppl have tried before

it wont happen

no it wouldnt as it should have the exact same armament as the Mig-29A

germany wasnt able to buy new stock after the german reunification, so whatever the GDR had is what the Mig-29G has

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mig 29 g has better missile it should be a tad bit higher

its like F4S and F4J

it shouldnt

it should have the r-27r and the r-73

it shouldnt have the r-27er or r-27et

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no it is not the mig-29g is literally a Mig-29 9.12 with a different paint job and english cockpit

Better make another thread to complain about BR compression overall instead of just changing a couple jets

i have tried no one cares but ill do it again

Eh… not really. 13.0 is almost entirely balanced with the exceptions of the missile buses.

@ron_23
Removing R-27ER from Mig-29G would change nothing other than forcing the 6x R-73 loadout.
While currently the R-27ER/T and R-73 are fairly interchangable due to the BR both are at, the R-27R/T are substantially inferior to just running R-73s in the air RB context.