MiG-21’s airframe + HMS + R-73 + R-27R at 12.3 = unfair
MiG-29A doesn’t even have acces to R-73 at 12.7, but OH CASUALLY, a soviet-british plane has it at an even lower BR so it can abuse of it.
don’t start saying that this plane has a bad radar, the Kopyo-21 is a VERY capable radar, even more at 12.3, and its more than enough with that TWS to start slinging R-27Rs to anything that moves
dude how many threads have u made
mig 21 bison has a horrendous air frame
its radar is mid cause horrendous gimbal limits
r27rs are usually worse than sparrows/530ds
its pretty balanced at 12.3, contemporary of mirage 2k cs4
My man, its on a mig 21 air frame. I HATE planes that are too low due to having good missiles but bad air frames but even i can see 12.3 is a perfectly acceptable br for a plane that only gets 4 missiles, 2 of which are r73s. just look at the a10c at a lower br with 4 9ms… Now thats fucking bad.
Man, you are making a complaint post about every plane you faced…
I am well aware that MiG-21Bison is one of the best 12.3BR jets, and has solid options.
But as long as MiG-29 with 27ER is in 12.7, and Su-27 with infinitely better loadout is in 13.0
Bison can’t go up any further unless decompression comes up first.
A-10C is slow asf and AIM-9Ms are a lot easier to dodge than the R-73s with thrust vectoring
everybody says “decompression, decompression”, well i already have like 3/4 posts where i talk about decompression, but looks like Gaijin doesn’t wanna hear not even me but also everyone else that thinks the same about the compressed BRs
Or it gets the rest of its armament.
A-10: AIM 9Ls at 10.3, and is constantly seeing flareless planes at 9.3
A-10A Late: 4 AIM 9Ls at 10.7, still fighting flareless planes at 9.7
Su-25: 4 R-60Ms at 10.7 and constantly fighting flareless planes
A-10C: 4 AIM 9Ms at 11.7, constantly fighting 10.7-11.0 jets with limited flares and 90% rear aspects (minus MiGs with the extremely flared R-60Ms)
I think those need to go up before a glorified MiG 21bis with R-73s (which are extremely flareable by the way)
The hell you mean 9Ms are easier to dodge? R-73s can be defeated by a single flare, 9Ms require you to spam, and even then it’s not guaranteed.
You are defending against 9Ms wrong btw. You can 1 flare defeat a 9M, but unlike R73 or Magic II at longer ranges which will switch to the flare. The 9M has a different method of IRCCM which switches the seeker off when it sees a flare. So you need to flare and then change direction, dropping additional flares to extend the time the 9M is spent blinded.
So If you spam flares but keeping flying straight. You will die. Or drop one flare and turn, you’ll probably survive. Unless it’s front aspectz then you can just 1 flare defeat them. Also, the seeker shutoff works before launch as well, so if you pre-flare,.then you literally cannot lock on a 9M.
As for kinematics. The 9M is the weakest of the main 3 at top tier at the moment, and is rather useless in a dogfight. It’s also underperforming quite a bit
They are 2nd best compared to the Magics, but they are definitely better than the 73s. The 73s are just R-60Ms that can do a flip. At least in my experience, they are the easiest to flare off
You get many more kill opportunities with the R-73 though. If the 9M had identical kinematics yeah but they dont
It’s why they should give F-15 and F-15 AIM-95 so they can actually have decent close range missiles
Agree with everything but this, IOG+DL on the R-2X series makes them better than sparrows by a fair margin when it comes to reliability. Yeah the 7M has more range, but that means very little when 7Ms and Fs zoom off to narnia 50% of the time now.
Not even the thrust vectoring, 9Ms are easier because of their FOV being so much larger than the 73’s, under 1.5km, where more IR AAMs actually shine, 73s and other seeker gate rejection missiles are functionally impossible to dodge, while 9Ms can still be easy defeated by 2 to 5 flares and a turn.
R-73s massively beat 9M at short ranges like 0-2km and especially when you need to use them in HOBS.
9Ms are best used at 2km+ and you have a nice clean shot with the right setup
Dodge? And i instantly know youve never had to flare a 9m if your saying its easier to “dodge” (the fck u mean dodge?) a 9m than it is an r73. 9ms require a barrage of flares to decoy while an r73 can be decoyed using a couple whie manoeuvring to position you infront of them… Learn to play the game if your dying to an r73 in a mig 29 against a bison lol.
(looking at what others are saying maybe my opinion on 9ms are skewed from the fact everything i have uses bol… although i still think flaring an r73 is easy as long as your not right next to the bloody thing)
at least the r27 doesn’t get dodged by a simple head on barrel roll unlike those sad terrible petty horrible primitive missiles
Man is probably expecting the 20km shots he gets with the r27ers lol. The base r27r is a BEAST in head ons as used right they are undogeable. Perfect for a mig 21 with hmd along with r73… Why would you ever try and dog fight this thing when your in a mig 29 with r27ers? your just shooting yourself in the foot lol. not sure ip knows how to fly.
That is the problem
The Mig29 should only have the r27r and the r73
That sounds better than MiG-29 with 60m and 27ER for balancing (I prefer that idea too)
But still, if 29 trades 27ER with 73, it might need to remain higher than 21Bison because it can use more R-73 and has better fuselage.
So… 29 with 27ER itself might be a problem, but trading it with R-73 won’t impact much on ‘BR and balancing of 21bison’ part.
MiG-21 Aiframe (At 12.3 this is getting very long in the tooth)
R-73 (You only have 2 if you want to kill hostiles from range)
R-27R/T (MiG-29 has R-27ER and the same R-27T, but the MiG-29 comes out ontop due to ER)
HMD (Both planes have it)
Missile count (Bison has 4, MiG-29 has 6)