don’t need nerf instead how about buff AMRAAM seeker for increase long range performance? especially C-5
We’re talking about War Thunder. Its a furball game. You’re probably speaking for the whole 5 guys who are trying to get kills with these pointless long range jousts. GRB maps aren’t big enough for long range anyways. Locked into a GRB map with Rafales or Mirage is like death sentence. MICA needs to be changed in a way that you can avoid them as easily as AIM120.
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that why i said it buff AMRAAM seekers make it harder to notch or multipath but should not be the same level as MICA at close range to increase in long range performance like OK you need to get close to kill me but you going to try harder to get that close to kill me
map sure need bigger one.
Or remove the fin aoa nerf on the A/B model
Right now it shouldn’t be even allowed that MICA capable jets fight AIM120 carriers. Its too much of a difference. The BR difference between anemic 120’s and MICAs should be more than 1.0.
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Everything points to the fact that even in real life, its all still gonna be one big furball. When I check out these forums full of gamer chair experts, what I notice is they’ve never actually read a missile use-case report, they totally misunderstand what max missile range even means, and then they show up saying their missile should be able to kill a fast, maneuvering target from 100km away (Literally every time a long range kill happened in history, there was a whole list of conditions that had to line up, and those just arent gonna happen in a game with matchmaking that’s supposed to be fair tech wise. Like, for example, a huge gap between the launching aircraft and the target, or a big difference in support and infrastructure like awacs, intel, and all that stuff).
You tell me, just look at the most recent conflict we had, India vs Pakistan (Im just pointing to this conflict as an academic example), over 100 jets with similar tech went head to head in a BVR arena using all kinds of advanced attack and evasion tactics, both air to ground and air to air. How many confirmed kills did we get on the hottest day of fighting? Three confirmed, maybe two more unconfirmed, ask yourself if the weapon manufacturer hype is really true, cause if it was no conflict would last more than a week.
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Like I said Gaijin can balance this even in a week they just won’t to like many stuffs in the game that they refuse to do their job.
Thats probably why all players fly very low to the map center to duke it out. For my personal gameplay I figured out that these high alt long range fights are a huge waste of time and missiles. You almost never get something down, except probably newbs who don’t turn into notching/cold positions.
I guess AIM was nerfed at a certain point after its release, cause I remember to have more success after it got introduced. Now long range AIM kills need the “cooperation” of the target, means they almost never happen except the pilots keeps flying braindead towards you.
When you go in low and quick, you get your kills more reliable and just faster. Thats why the long range argument 120 vs MICA is just nonsense. At the end it breaks down to appr. >15ish km fights.
Or a 120 seeker buff maybe ?
I’m pretty sure it’s far too easy to notch compared to IRL anyway
Its extremly easy in WT. I don’t even shot them anymore on targets farther away than 15, maybe 20 km. It only works short range, so opponents haven’t enough time to multipath or to notch. When you shoot at someone 15km away he will always reach the safety of the ground or has enough time to turn into nothing/cold. Just vs. Mica nothing works. Within their range the almost always connect and thats balancing from hell.
Saying that range is an huge/game breaker advantage in 2025 just to back up the argument for a stronger seeker on the mica is straight up dishonest and shady, the people who support that just cant admit it, so Ill say it for them.
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I mean i play against MICA in customs from time to time and it’s notchable all right. It’s stronger than AMRAAM up close and you have to mind your positioning a bit more, but just like Buk (even smaller beam width, 3.5° instead of 7.5° on MICA), if you do it right it works reliably
HOBS is the main issue i’d say, but tbh most french mains agreed Rafale F3R was overkill and F2 would have been enough
So why doesnt r77s or darters get the same treatment?
Actually it was worse when it released because it had a lot of unnecessary drag
Then got a range buff with all other fox 3
Then again another fox 3 buff with the addition of angle gating which made it harder to notch missile if you keep radar/tws lock especially when you are above the target
Also helps catching people who cant properly notch or forget that they have to physically move their plane to not get iog ed
With the mica its basically when you notch it you have to make sure your not just fly in a straight line while notching because it will just hit you regardless
in a dogfight against mica you have to be pre notching and make sure to maneuver outside of the iog trajectory which is relatively easy as long as you are fast and agile
Though most players dont know how to beat a rafale and try to kill it at longer ranges where even if you have the better missile for those ranges the rafale will notch with ease while launching micas at you
What i usually do is force the rafale to get closer to me if am in my f2 and i make sure to fire first before he tries to launch at me and if hes close enough i launch a fox 2 to keep him busy which either allows me to get closer and have an edge on him to fire another fox 3 if i still have some or i force the dogfight because i know that i can easily beat him in my f2 since it has a better speed retention on a rate and if you make the rafale bleed all of its energy you basically win the dogfight as long as you keep youre energy because most of the time they are going to try use all of their energy in the first turn and it never ends up well for them
Just make sure to be prepared by pre notching for off boresight mica shots
R77 is good at close range it just does it worse than the mica
And derby and r darter despite being the same kinda suck regardless no matter the situation
As far as I know, MICA itself is very maneuverable, but has a short range and high drag.
But the important point is that the aircraft that launches it is the Rafale.
Rafale compensates for the shortcomings of MICA with rafale’s high speed and lift.
Just as gaijin buffed MICA’s seeker, if the seeker of other ARH missiles becomes more sophisticated and better aircrafts come out of another countries, it will be resolved naturally
(just my thought).
Mica has boosted seeker as short range
Rdarter- short range
R77- short range
Im just trying to see the logic here
for that, people need to found documents about the seekers.
Yes and no because we already have to deal with the mica being better but imagine if they buffed the seeker on the c5 and gave it hobs the eft would be extremely meta and would be at the same level as the rafale and the f15e would also essentially be even more meta
Even if the c5 is bad rn and only really good at range on a good launching platform (F15 and eft) its still annoying to deal with because of its long battery life and lower darg
Now imagine if it had all the buff that its supposed to have
Well, I’m sure so.
First of all, I understand that Aim-120’s seeker performance is less than reality.