It took then over 2 years to add a Russian top tier aircraft that was meta defining. And arguably the Rafale is still the best in a lot of situations that aren’t LARPing as the Iron Dome.
While the Su-30SM was not meta defining (Rafale obvs being the meta), it was certainly a solid contender with a strong kit, AESA (while most of nations still had mechs) and a decent (not excellent, nor amazing) flight model to make use of its kit.
The Su-30SM2 was just the logical next step on an update where the AESAphoons had to arrive.
Yet that doesn’t rule out there’s an increasing amount of evidence that Gaijin is pivoting to balance the game around Russia to some relevant degree.
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mica is still best missile.
having a slightly smaller fov means you have to waste more chaff when defeating it.
For mica I usually need to use like 5-7 chaff while for r-77-1 I have to use around 2-3 chaff
plus mica can be fired more off bore than r77-1, but that only matters for dogfights and only like sub 3-4 km is when difference is noticable or at super low speed
Yep, back in the day the Lorraine 40T cost 24K SL to repair (a non premium player kill would net about 2K SL to the player).
(Not) fun times
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Good news, you guys have been saying that the worser missiles should get buffed first and it now has come in the form of AIM-120C and AIM-120D being buffed in terms of turning performance. Will you support MICA buffs or will you change the goalpost and make a new requirement before MICA can get buffed?
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I have already agreed with buffing Mica in another post in the same topic
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What’s it gonna do? be the only 15.0 aircraft ingame?
Okay now show HOBS comparison against anything else.
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To be fair, C-5 and D still pull worse than A and B, as you can see in the graphic you attached.
A MICA could still fly in circles around them xD
I still think MICAs should get their range fixed, just as much as 120s should have their agility improved.
Not necessarily, notice how the C-5/D pull more initially until A/B takes it over towards the later turn. This means the C-5 now is effectively overall better than the A since it has similar HOBS capability as A while still retaining the bvr advantage.
Are you realistically expecting the AIM-120 to perform better than any other top tier ARHs in terms of HOBS? Mica has tvc, r-77-1 has grid fins and likely missing some benefits from r-77’s underperformance, PL-12 pulls more. So what is remaining?
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Nice catch, thank you! This is great news.
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Aim-120 went from being the worst HOBS missile to being the worst HOBS missile by smaller margins.
So we need to make the MICA have the best HOBS performance in the game and also the longest range and also the fastest time to target? Why?
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Oh, holy Jesus. This pic is more… enlightening xD.
Disappointment remains, then. Still a Boeing 747 next to all other missiles, specially MICA.
The buff is quite marginal even within non-TVC standards, but sure, buff the MICA marginally.
It won’t change anything, though.
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It wouldn’t. It would reduce the margin in range between it and its competitors like the recent buff to AIM-120s did for hobs, but it wouldn’t make it longer ranged than any of these missiles: R-77-1, PL-12, PL-12A, AIM-120A/C/D.
Currently missiles like Derby and R-77 outrange MICA but neither of them compete in the top battle-rating like MICA is.
Fixing the MICA would have it outranging the Derby and R-77 but still would come up lower than the actual top br competitors that it faces (R-77-1, PL-12, PL-12A, and AIM-120 series).
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Basically, changes should be made so that:
MICAS would remain the best at short range, but become a bit more useable at longer ranges…
…while AMRAAMS remain better at medium ranges, but become a bit more useable at shorter ranges.
Basically, keep each as their own thing, but with the gaps a bit smaller.
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All while R-77-1 trashes on both of them anyway in every metric by being the best at short, medium and long ranges, but xD
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If I recall correctly we attempted to model what MICA would be like if it met the 30G claim that you want it to reach and it basically resulted in the missile having better time to impact af any target inside of 60km. So yes in effect what you are asking for is the strongest missile in every category. Unless you consider Aim-120 post 60km flight performance to actually be a threat…which of isn’t.
Would be interesting to see how you modeled it because it seems you may have overtuned it. The 30G at 12km for vertical launch report that I had wrote made it clear it may have been a factor of both the lack of speed and/or maneuverability.
You would have to go back months ago when you were asking for the MICA to be buffed in response to the Aim-120C being added to the game.