Are you realistically expecting the AIM-120 to perform better than any other top tier ARHs in terms of HOBS? Mica has tvc, r-77-1 has grid fins and likely missing some benefits from r-77’s underperformance, PL-12 pulls more. So what is remaining?
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Nice catch, thank you! This is great news.
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Aim-120 went from being the worst HOBS missile to being the worst HOBS missile by smaller margins.
So we need to make the MICA have the best HOBS performance in the game and also the longest range and also the fastest time to target? Why?
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Oh, holy Jesus. This pic is more… enlightening xD.
Disappointment remains, then. Still a Boeing 747 next to all other missiles, specially MICA.
The buff is quite marginal even within non-TVC standards, but sure, buff the MICA marginally.
It won’t change anything, though.
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It wouldn’t. It would reduce the margin in range between it and its competitors like the recent buff to AIM-120s did for hobs, but it wouldn’t make it longer ranged than any of these missiles: R-77-1, PL-12, PL-12A, AIM-120A/C/D.
Currently missiles like Derby and R-77 outrange MICA but neither of them compete in the top battle-rating like MICA is.
Fixing the MICA would have it outranging the Derby and R-77 but still would come up lower than the actual top br competitors that it faces (R-77-1, PL-12, PL-12A, and AIM-120 series).
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Basically, changes should be made so that:
MICAS would remain the best at short range, but become a bit more useable at longer ranges…
…while AMRAAMS remain better at medium ranges, but become a bit more useable at shorter ranges.
Basically, keep each as their own thing, but with the gaps a bit smaller.
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All while R-77-1 trashes on both of them anyway in every metric by being the best at short, medium and long ranges, but xD
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If I recall correctly we attempted to model what MICA would be like if it met the 30G claim that you want it to reach and it basically resulted in the missile having better time to impact af any target inside of 60km. So yes in effect what you are asking for is the strongest missile in every category. Unless you consider Aim-120 post 60km flight performance to actually be a threat…which of isn’t.
Would be interesting to see how you modeled it because it seems you may have overtuned it. The 30G at 12km for vertical launch report that I had wrote made it clear it may have been a factor of both the lack of speed and/or maneuverability.
You would have to go back months ago when you were asking for the MICA to be buffed in response to the Aim-120C being added to the game.
Tbf when aim 120c5 released on dev it was a straight upgrade over the 120b until it got its fin aoa nerfed
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And it also had reduced FOV similar to MICA.
It wasn’t a straight upgrade. It had the old Aim-120A model and was immediately changed. I have a video testing it on dev before it was even announced for the Eurofighter.
French mains have been asking for massive MICA buff with the addition of every single nothing-burger improvements to other missiles.
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You gotta give that narrative a break. If we’re to believe you and some of the general community members, every single missile count/quality advancement in the last 8 months are somehow nothingburgers.
Somehow AIM-120C is a nothingburger even though pro players such as Bad_Karma and Migan do take them. R-77-1 is a nothingburger somehow. The increased missile counts of R-77-1 and AMRAAM are also somehow nothingburgers. PL-12A with increased count and AIM-120D are also nothingburger, AIM-120C/D turn buff is a nothingburger. Also the platforms they’re coming on have increasingly better radars and increasingly better platforms, but that’s probably a nothingburger too.
People do have to question that narrative of everything being a nothingburger.
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This is at least the third time that you have asked for a buff to MICA in direct response to some new missile being added to the game. You made effectively the same thread for the introduction of R-77-1 (which you admitted was not a threat to Rafale) and for the introduction of Aim-120C. I am not counting other threads where you asked for a buff either but I’m sure there are more.
What qualifies as a pro-player? If I can get good results with objectively inferior planes does that mean that the meta-mobiles need to be buffed?
This is what you said in regards to your advocacy of R-77-1 being added.
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Barely.
No, and I want seeker buffs for other missiles more than any flight performance ones. Giving the MICA increased range will easily make it by far the best because it’s actually usable for BVR, and that just isn’t fair.
The only thing that has threatened the Rafale is the Su-30SM2 which has a ton of good missiles, and a very good radar, but it still does not have as good of flight performance, and still lacks the HOBS/seeker advantage.
PL-12As aren’t fully modelled yet I think, so I can’t say if they will be better or not.
Aim-120Cs/Ds are not very good despite their high missile counts.
R-77-1s are good, but they lose to the MICA is HOBS/seeker quality.
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And I ended up being wrong, R-77-1 and Su-30SM were far more impactful than I imagined they would be, not necessarily on the Rafale’s level still, but I was off the mark in regards to it being the worst top tier aircraft at the time. The AIM-120C were on worse platforms then most than now.
Difference is that now:
- We have competitive platforms now with much better flight models than predecessors
- We have competing platforms now with much better radars than predecessors
- We have competitive platforms featuring much better missile quantities than their predecessors.
- We have competitive platforms featuring better quality missiles or providing situational advantage missiles than their predecessors.
And does it matter how many times I suggest it? If 5th gens and AIM-260/R-77M are here later on and I ask for fixed micas for the 6th time, are you opposed to the changes just because I asked 5 times before previously?
Pretty predictable. It’s an ever changing goal post. Whatever buffs come after for other missiles even if it is what you demanded, you’ll still find a new requirement before MICAs can get their fixes.
The real answer if you were honest, is never.
I want all missiles to perform accurately so Gaijin can focus on balancing (and not have the balance ruined/shifted massively in one direction by a single change). However, they shouldn’t be buffed in such a way that causes massive imbalance, like what we saw with the Rafale when the MICAs seeker was buffed.
I’d be fine with a range increase if the Rafale/M2Ks went up in BR too.
This isn’t true for me.
Its funny to see the mica do better than the aim120D still. Wait 2 years later and mica still better than meteors somehow at this rate lol
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