They already do have breathing room
Ideally all the missiles would have their reports implemented but I don’t think you realize the implication of what you’re saying.
You’re saying that even if AIM-120D-3, PL-15, R-77M, AIM-260 or other advanced missiles are added, you’re opposed to MICA-EM being fixed if the AIM-120A and AIM-120C are underperforming. Preventing the MICA-EM from being able to compete with future missiles or newer additions because the older additions haven’t been fixed isn’t sound logic but instead the crab in the bucket mentality. “If I can’t get what I want, then you shouldn’t get what you want”.
No I am not
I am saying that MICA doesn’t need to be fixed unless what it faces is strong enough to justify it, this includes possible future additions (only after they have been implemented or tested fully to see how they compare)
you are suggesting that I’m only talking about AIM-120A and C. I am not
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Should look at who I was replying to. Ion made specific claims/statements.
Sorry, doing a couple things at once here
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first game need balanc… thx for mica france have 75% winrate when for example ef 2000 get meteor and irst buff it but now is enought good…
+1, Since we know MICA IR won’t be added before a looooooong time, this seems legit to me
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let s be realist here for a sec, even if micas are fixed it won t be the end of everything holly in the game, in fact it might even drive their effectiveness down a little because people will shoot them father away, where they will behave much more like the others fox 3 and not the pissed off bottle of wine we all know and love
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I have had the chance to try MICA-EM as I unlocked Rafale;
As much of an excellent dogfighting missile as it may be, it definitely is lacking as a Fox-3. You can’t really use it past ~15 km.
I believe missiles, much like tanks, shells… should ALWAYS be depicted with full accuracy. And if any “balance” issues arise, adjust BRs. Never alter the capabilities of hardware artificially.
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When we will start having 8+ f16’s/15E’s per game, every game - sure, fair point.
Until then - simply unrealistic.
Because as of the latest available stats (Jan 26), SM2 has about as many games as 16C, 18C (US), 15E and 15GE - all four of them COMBINED (1.9mil VS 2.1mil). Pin that somewhere in the back of your mind.
And it was denied
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Not going to work at top tier. We would have to go back to using repair cost as a balancing tool again.
Would you want a 50-100k repair cost on the Rafale as a trade off for the missile range buff?
I mainly just come here to watch the anual French main crashout when a new missile that is even a minimal upgrade for a struggling nation gets added, but I just had to respond to the above bit.
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How would adjusting BRs not work at Top Tier?
Most 14.3s should be 14.7; most 14.7s should be 15.0, and many 14.7s could be 15.3.
And if we began decompressing from 13.3 onwards, even better.
With proper decompression, a Rafale with fixed MICAs would never face anything equivalent to most current 14.0s and 14.3s.
We could very well have up to 16.0 and that would solve ALL balance issues from (current) 14.0 upwards.
Repair costs never balanced shit and would never do.
I also thought that they had no right to criticise MICAs- until I gave them a try myself. Nothing heals tunnel vision and biases like proper first-hand experience.
To a lesser or greater degree, everyone needs better missiles to match R-77-1. That’s probably single handedly the very best missile in the game.
So yes; we need fixed MICA as much as we need fixed 120C-5s and 120Ds. Not mutually exclusive.
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So we buff the Rafale and move it to 15.0 alone. What does that change?
- Nothing for the Rafale, because it still fights the same enemy.
- Nothing for the current 14.7s, because they still have to deal with the Rafale with no restrictions.
- Nothing for the current 14.3s, because they still have to deal with the Rafale with no restrictions.
- Finally something changes for 14.3, as they can see max 4 rafales per team.
- 13.7 would see the biggest change, as they would be freed from the Rafale entirely.
So how exactly is moving the plane up a solution when it doesn’t even change anything for most parties involved.
I have also used MICAs and they are probably the easiest missiles to use from the missiles I have played with (which are Derby, all AIM-120s, R-77 and PL12).
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If most 14.7s were placed at 15.0, and the very best (like Rafale with fixed MICAs) were placed at 15.3:
1: 13.7 would no longer face Rafale.
2: 14.0 would no longer face Rafale.
3: most 14.3s, those which remained there, would only face up to 4x Rafales in worst case scenarios.
I would say that changes a lot.
Specially if AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120D get fixed as well, which would be the main idea here.
Oh no Rafale win rate went below 60 percent for 2 months. Please buff Gaijin…the increased battery life Aim-120 is too strong!
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The rafale would not be alone at 15.0. The SM2 is definitely a plane that would benefit from a higher BR. Nothing feels better than being in a 13.7 plane and having to evade 5 or 6 r-77-1 seconds after taking off.
Not to mention, something that is often left out, is that the R-77-1, in my experience, tends to loft more against low altitude targets and is harder to multipath due to its trajectory (it’s not helped by the fact that the SU30SM2 for some reason has an insane spawn speed compared to basically everyone else and climbs very fast thanks to this)
I agree. I’ve seen so many people coming about the MICA, have the AIM120 a try with the f16am, and it’s nowhere near as bad as many people make it look (at least at 13.7). Comparing it to the Mirage 2000-5F experience at 14.0, I’ve personally felt that about 80-90% of my kills I could do with either missiles. Meaning « only » 1 to 2 out of 10 kills where thanks to the high offbore of the MICA (in a BR where I play much more defensively due to the uptiers being more difficult, and the mirage 2000 having a worse FM in my opinion). And the f16am does not have radar HMD.
This still makes the Aim120 worse overall, but not nearly as much as some people make it seem (and many probably haven’t played the MICA either I guess).
That’s also my personal belief. The AIM120 needs to have its strengths get better, if its main weakness can’t be fixed (better seeker, since HOBS reports seems to go nowhere). But, that doesn’t stops other missiles to get better in parallel. I’m also thinking of the derby which could very much profit from significant buffs.
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Seeing how the SM2s DL channels just got halfed I doubt we will see as much R-77-1 spam in the initial joust (if the change goes live).
One one hand, it will definitely make individual su30sm2 a lot less dangerous, on the other hand, with lobbies being a third to half filled with them, I think this will be mitigated by having su30sm2 firing their 4 initial missiles at different targets rather than all of them firing at everyone simultaneously.
And I’ve heard the radar UI changes makes it easier to see which ally is shooting who.
This will probably be a nerf that impacts « lower skill » player more, but it’s still a nerf for everyone in the end, that’s true
any missile truck should be a bit of a higher sl cost imo its not very fair
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