For the most part, I was surprised by Jagm, it has higher fov and so on and so forth, quicker lock times.
I’m not sayin it’s drastically better, I’m just saying I didn’t know that.
Gaijin won’t make each IR missile some special snowflake case, they simplify them by giving everyone and every IR AGM the same, if not similar stats. I was acting like a jackass because I don’t want people misinformed and to believe that LMUR is somehow worse or “harder” to use. When that simply isn’t the case.
I’m about to get my AH-64E, so I’ll be able to test the reliability.
Even if the coding is the same, for the most part, Jagm does have more benefits, and once they fix lofting it will be an unstoppable monster.
i agree with everything. except. second best SAM. unless youre talking about the pantsir (but thats also not second best but at least usable close range and medium range). If youre talking about the BUK, then thats one of the worst top tier sams atm. It is usable in long long range on high alt targets but thats it (but its still a fox 3) so if you go low and break contact to the radar vehicle then you can notch it, multipath it. And no one flies that high at distance because theres no point to do so (even if you launch at those ranges, your agms might miss, they are much more likely to intercept).
Now for close and medium range? you cant hide the launchers because they dont launch vertically like the sampt or iris-t. the launchers need to turn in the direction of the target first which, you basically need to doublecheck if they did (also because they constantly do 180s to aim at some random target youre not even looking at in the radar vehicle), then they struggle more than most other spaas at top tier to hit close range stuff. You cant hide the launchers or the radar vehicle cause the launchers are the biggest of all of them. same with the buks giant radar. and dont even get me started on that slow af spinning radar thats producing ghost targets like 500m below ground, update rate from hell. not letting you launch at locked targets. not letting you lock the things youre looking at (update rate doesnt help with that). Its just horrible, surprisingly because usually russia needs the best spaa starting at around 10.0. Buff when? (no seriously, pls fix that thing. pantsir is 10 times more useful)
Compared to that junk SAMP/T and IRIS-T are absolute monsters and 10 times more convenient to use
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What does the JAGM-MR having 3,5 drift speed mean vs none of the others having that drift?
Huh ? It’s not even third
SAMP/T is as big, but its missile does not carry as much energy nor explosive
kind of have the drag of a flying supertanker right now
So yes, Buk second quite easily
But SAMP/Ts missiles acutally do hit and pull at close range and the ranges that are mostly used in top tier for cas. which is sub 10, most of the times even sub7 km. until that guy has pulled up you didnt even pick him up on the buks radar. then you need to wait for the launchers to turn. then you can pick the plane as first target, launch at him and wait (thoretically, because if its a decent cas player he will have already done that and started evading) if he launched missiles. the missile you launched at the plane will then have decided to go for one of his launched missiles instead, because higher doppler return. until you have picked him again he will be in a notch or gone.
Its easy af to shoot planes popping up in 3rd person at 15 km or closer in the samp/t and then just shoot one at each of his launched missiles in the radar menu (if he even had time for that, because you can actually hide your launchers). with samp/t or iris t u can play most of the time in 3rd person and just shoot if a plane appears. With the BUK youll be somewhere in between, stuff thats been picked up with the radar for a split second is moving across the screen in weird patterns 15 seconds after that guy already disappeared. Then you will go to the radar menu wondering what that was and see 2 missiles coming closer and they are at sub 3 km already closing in but u dont know where and u dont know if your launchers can launch (stuff in the way doesnt let you) or they are pointing at a scout drone 6 km behind your spawn. Then you die. What does it help if its the best missile (debatable, because it sucks at close range) if you cant find the targets to shoot them at quick enough while not being able to put your launchers in semi safe spots behind buildings? The Buk is not even Top 5, on most maps it is even worse than the Pantsir.
BTW BUK: 0,77 K/D SAMP/T 1,4, Sky sabre 1,7 and IRIS-T 1,9, hell the CLAWS has 1,15 and the Spyder has 1,06 and all of them also have better Kill/spawn ratios. BUK is SUK. The only spaa i can find in that whole area with worse performance is the Tan-SAM but thats at 12.0 with a K/D of 0.6 BUT same Kill/Spawn like the BUK. Even the Elde has much better stats than the BUK
The Achilles heel of the BUK is the non-vertical launch TELs and the subpar radar, it’s not a scary system, the only thing carrying it is the massive warhead that can splash damage multipathing planes and the hypersonic speed.
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Yep. Its most scary for long range high alt targets. But if youre flying like that then youre basically asking for it. Theres no reason to be at high alt long range especially when theres a BUK on your RWR.
I swear there’s a trick that certain BUK users know because BUKs seem like they fall in 2 camps.
- launch everything, easy to shake
- tracks me through trees at 15-20m above ground and takes me out
Absolutely no in-between
it means when it loses lock it can drift off course unlike the others
eg. if the JAGM dips down after launch and loses lock, it will drift off course and not reacquire lock even if the target is stationary due to the very narrow seeker FOV
where if the others do the same, they will be able to reacquire lock
Russian ground has been meta for years wtf are you coping about
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yeah sure.
Ha! Fix a NATO missile? Nooooo.
They had enough documents before the JAGM got added and even more after it got added.
Same issue for PARS 3 and they have been in the game for while, Hellfires and AGMs too
Also, what are the benefits?
They are 1 : 1 only the LMURs have it’s full glory.
JAGMs ofc have to be chopped as for Gaijin’s standards.
I mean, give me some features the LMUR is missing.
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What features is LMUR missing?
Also, the Jagm has a higher fov, among other things, from his chart he posted
Sure, list me what it has that LMUR doesn’t
Dude I was asking you.
I asked you first, I don’t know what it’s missing.
I would not state that Russia has better MBTs than any other major nation. They’re not bad, but the Abrams and Leopard easily outclass them.
Russia’s CAS is the backbone of its win rate, but it’s also foolish to say they win because of a single helicopter. Multiple factors are at play here.