I think ldircm still has a heavier role than anything in all of this than fnf weapons…… theres no way in September 25th lmurs get released and 5 days russian win rates just from an avg of 43 in august shot up to 50% in September avg.
Like in 5 days youre telling me enough games with lmur were played to completely change the avg with 25 days taken into account without lmurs
Do you know how calenders work? The LMUR got added in September
How many times do i have to repeat myself? EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE ADDITIONAL GAME POST UPDATE COMPARED TO PRE UPDATE WAS A 100% WINRATE THE REST OF THE PLAYERS WOULD STILL NEED TO GO UP BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN TO MAKE THE JUMP. If you take your 70% winrate then about a third of all games played would need to have a 70% winrate if the rest stays the same as the month before
The LMUR got added in September please consult a calender before you comment.
Yes, new content, new update, more interest more games. Thats also why the september change is smaller and then in october when the update has its first full month the change gets bigger
I do get that but it doesn’t make sense, as the queues before the lmur update relatively stayed the same. Russia had already 100+ player queues when i logged on for august end and september beginning in the hypes for the Buk m3 and japan as well due to the new Oplot T.
I’m sorry but its impossible until a statshark dev can give us the massive difference of 25 days of non lmurs vs actually the win rates combined when lmurs dropped for September. that massive shot up of win rates that Russia had, from 43 of august to 50% in September were more combined factors than simply lmur.
Like i said, July it was at its lowest with 41% and the increase in wr had begun before lmur dropped.
it was a mix factors, Like ive said lmurs did play a part but not as heavily as Ldircm helis and just general large player theory.
And since their arrival russia continued to have simply large player numbers regardless
Hmm, what site are u using for the numbers? But i do agree, russia had increased winrate in august-25th September before lmurs dropped.
Anecdotes dont matter.
I did a bit of math. If we assume the August winrate for the first 25 days of September and the October winrate for the 5 last then to arrive at the actual september winrate wed need about 45% of games in 25 days and 55% in the last 5 which admittedly does sound unlikely.
However the increase of games/players is still too low to be the major cause of the winrate increase. The only way that theory would make sense was if Russia actively lost bad players post update and gained exclusively good players in their stead.
Im not disputing that there are very good people that chase the meta but frankly the narrative that thats the main driver of winrate increases is ridiculous and just excuses Gaijins terrible balancing atm.
EO and TV guided ones are not
its really funny to hit them with 65bs when they think they are immune to all your weapons
iirc LUMR was added like 5-10 days before the end of september, so some of the LMUR spam affected september stats
You can ask @Ghost_of_TelAviv and @ItsOnyy
During our testing, the mi-28nm was so hit or miss. In areas where the LDIRCM should’ve worked it didn’t, and in areas it shouldn’t have worked it did.
It was like a toss of the dice every time. It was so inconsistent.
Meanwhile the AH-64E and the China heli were consistent. They both blocked far more.
So easy in fact, most helicopter gameplay is borderline terrible. No matter the br.
Major Nations include 3 different tech trees. How exactly do you see this as a good point to make? 2 out of 3 got an LDIRCM helicopter, and Germany likely doesn’t even have one to get.
They still have the missiles, which is what we were discussing to begin with. They might not be as strong as the US AH-64E, but they still carry the same weapons regardless, even when they shouldn’t.
I can assure you that despite them being played less, JAGMs are plenty capable at their job.
All I’m asking you to do is explain why the Mi-28NM had a 10% rise in win rate prior to the LMUR being added. Using capslock isn’t going to get you anywhere or convince anyone.
I’m not defending the Mi-28NM or the AH-64E here. I’m simply pointing out that your reason for disliking them is not factual. In a few months, the Mi-28NM spam will die down. It will still be strong, but players will inevitably go back to their favorite tanks to play.
This point makes little sense and contradicts your prior statements on the export AH-64E. While it is true that the LMUR did drop in September, it was only about the 24th when players could obtain it. Keep in mind that the Mi-28NM was the least-played top-tier helicopter the Russians had before Tusk Force, and many players skipped it in favor of the current META Russian Ka-52. This resulted in many players having to grind the vehicle or spade it after the update. Those who GE’d it aren’t significant enough to cover the first 23 days of September.
The Mi-28NM has always outperformed the Ka-52 even before the LMUR, because it had a more competent playerbase, yet still retained a 45-48% winrate before September. It’s not a friendly airframe to fly due to its weight and FM to begin with, so most players favored the Ka-52’s maneuverability and ridiculous damage model.
Despite this, you’re suggesting that the Mi-28NM somehow jumped Russia’s overall win rate from 47% to 58% in less than 7 days? Any reasonable player wouldn’t believe that.
slightly more than 6 days, which you still need to factor in the number of players who had to grind the Mi-28NM because they skipped it. Then you need to factor in the time to get the missile.
Yes, some people GE’d the helicopter and its missiles, but is that enough to jump a win rate by over 10% in 6 days?
I’m trying to explain here that the reason the helicopter is performing great right now isn’t only the LMUR, because it already performed better than the Ka-52. The fact that the LMUR was announced got the competitive players spamming it prior to Tusk Force.
I don’t enjoy playing most helicopters in-game because of vehicles like the 2S38.
that wasnt just LMURs, it got LDIRCM the update before it got LMURs and was easily the best heli in the game already then
The win rate between April and May did not change significantly despite LDIRCM. In June, the Russian win rate, before the new SAMS, actually tanked massively by about 10%.
The reason is that the competitive people boosting Russia’s performance switched to Germany and other nations to get their hands on the new shiny SPAA.
Can´t wait for the Ka-52m to be added and some people will deny bias cause “france and china also has 2 helis with fnf and rafale and mirage and sumthing sumthing my reverse is bad” lol.
You’re focusing on it being added in September, but not the actual impact during September. You can use Ad Hominem all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Mi-28NM, the least played Russian top-tier helicopter while also being the least played type of vehicle in ground battles, can’t jump win rate by 10% 6 days after being buffed. Players have to get the vehicle and the weapon. Those who GE it aren’t enough to jump the win rate alone.
You don’t understand how statistics work. The first 23 days of September don’t vanish overnight. They are the majority of the data set for September. Winrate is an average. If the majority of the data set is before the buff, the average being 58% for the month indicates that it was performing well, suddenly the WHOLE month. That’s basic Algebra.
Russia’s overall win rate did not improve either, which further proves that Russia didn’t suddenly start having “100% win rates” in September, the moment the LMUR was added. It took players time to get it once it was added. That’s common sense.
In October, however, the win rate DID jump overall, which shows the true effect of the LMUR. The LMUR resulted in an 6% increase to Russia’s abilities, not 100%.
its not an ad hominem it just shows that youre sloppy at best which makes arguing with you already painful.
This entire paragraph is based on you assuming that people have not unlocked the MI28NM which you dont know.
Again the assumption would be that the games are equally distributed over the whole month which is questionable at best in an update month. And yes i do understand statistics, because other than your lazy butt i actually calculated how the games played would need to be distributed pre and post update to create the winrate we see.
You dont even understand the usage of 100% winrate and have the audacity to question my understanding of statistics, i cant. I used 100% winrate to calculate the minimum number of exceptionally good players needed to create the winrate rise we see. I did not claim that they had 100% winrate it just shows that even IF every additional game/player had 100% winrate the number would still be unproportionally high.
Thats all you do, assumptions based on nothing with not even the slightest try of math anywhere
Keep believing your fairytale of superior russian players but stop commenting here before you embarass yourself even more
You can argue with Merriam-Webster and whatnot, but I don’t care for this behavior.
Not only do the numbers show that the Mi-28NM is played 50-100k games less per month compared to the Ka-52 before September, but I’ve also been playing this game for well over a decade.
Oh, but the spike in winrate for the Mi-28NM was in 6 days? Right. The majority of 416,000 matches were absolutely and definitely played in the last week of September.
I can’t think of a more outrageous claim than that.
I’d love to see your math. I’ve openly shown mine.
This can simply be explained by assuming good players came back to the Mi-28NM before the update dropped, with increase the performance by 10% over a whole month, which is significantly more reasonable than raising it from 47% to 58% in 6 days.
My god please be more fragile when confronted with criticism, jesus. What you think is an ad hominem is actually ridiculous.
Still has no information whatsoever about the ownership percentage of the MI28NM and is again just an anecdote.
Nope they dont have to be the majority if the Winrate in the 6 days was high enough a lower number would suffice.
ive shown my math above, you can read it. You havent shown any math whatsoever since you didnt actually do any.
Which as ive said numerous times now would require an amount of returning players thats nowhere seen in the statistics we have.
You can comment and cry as much as you want but you have put 0 effort and thinking into this other than “i think its caused by that so it is caused by that”
i think i abuse it a bit too much
