I don’t know what genius assigned the BR for the Russian heli tech tree but it is just terrible you literally have to put over a million of research (which gaijin doesn’t offer you for free) points just into 9.7br all for nothing! the mi24v has only a 12.7mm gun and not a 30mm cannon unlike the mi24p at least for that sake make the mi24v at 9.3 br so that you could get an amazing lineup!
The research points for helicopters and their modifications seriously needs to be reevaluated! I don’t know what kind of insanely crazy guy assigned these but they are just horrible and insane!
So DEVS for god’s sake please make some reforms in the Russian helicopter tree !!!
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No. You want more? Where’s the limit of the greed cursing you and your alikes?
guns are not really used enough in ground to justify moving it down based on that, other options would be either to limit it to 4 shturms or give it worse ATGMS (which would suck given that carrying Shturms was one of the main features of the variant).
The main issue is the 5km range on the Shtums combined with the HIRSS allow it to just sit outside SPAA range in down tiers.
Frankly the best option would be to just folder it and let people grind or skip it as they like.
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exactly! you are right!, at least they must folder the 9.7helis like mi24p and ka29! how much of the research points are wasted by this!
9.3? How about 10.3? These choppers are already outranging all ground units, have CCIP for everything, flares, IRCM, RWR, every russian aircraft munition in existence and even a goddamn built in autocannon.
no, at most they could go to 10.0, at least without moving other stuff up too., 10.7 has helis with hellfires with near double the range, auto tracking and thermals, actually that starts a 10.3 but only with 4 hellfires,
Frankly though I think Gaijin needs to review the BRs of all helis and SPAAs, its a real mess at the moment, there are lots of helies that you can pull in a down tier and be un killable, but are useless in an up tier.
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Are you for real there are proxy ammunition and IR guided missiles starting at 9.0 itself ! and you are complaining about a heli at 9.7!! i suggest that you first use those spaa!!!
At 10.0~10.3 most SPAAs are already using SACLOS missiles that can target helicopters hanging at 6+km from the ground field, so I wouldn’t say they are that big of a problem there though very annoying.
This is kind of true. Before 10.0 most players simply can’t lock aircraft past 4km, and those who have an early SACLOS SAM vehicle available need to actually unlock, purchase and bring it to the match. But after 10.0 almost everyone has 8km range SAMs
Extremely limited, available to only 2 vehicles with a radar. Shells take multiple seconds to reach you and don’t adjust themselves based on your movement, so really all you need to do is roll a bit and they miss by 200m. The game doesn’t just coincidentally shift to SAMs here.
IR missiles that can’t actually even be launched because they need to lock on first. And the maximum lock range is 3.6km, that maximum is lower for helicopters and depending on the match it might be lowered even further. The only ATGM copters this is ever going to work against are the 7.7 HKP and Z11.
Even the much less terrible stingers, iglas, mistrals and whatever else are very rarely going to lock past 4km so you are absolutely outranging them and flares do work on these things.