Did you not read my post? I am talking about the older rounds, things below 500 are still a major threat at frontal angles. Such as 3BM42…
Yes. But that doesn’t really address my post?
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I wouldn’t say an export Abrams, Leo, Challenger 2, or T-90 is 50 years behind. Most operate kornets and have some ok aircraft.
I never said they completely ignored KE protection, but thinking they developed Merkavas to stop best of the best rounds is native at least.
I doubt countries like Yemen, Palestine and Lebanon are buying 2A8s anytime soon.
This also isn’t a superiority complex, rather it’s just a factual observation. Their neighbors are stuck in 90s at best.
More weight doesn’t mean better armor.
No one here said this, though? We are saying it should be able to counter the bare minimum, such as 3BM42. No one claimed it should be able to beat 3BM60 or DM53.
No one here is claiming that they have 122B UFP levels of protection, but enough to stop rounds like 3bm60 in the immediate frontal arc, or some measure to ensure that the entire front of the tank isn’t a weakspot
It having 500mm of protection would protect it against that.
Wanting anything more is a wet dream.
Don’t you know when some of those were first produced ?
And that’d be fine, I think everyone in this topic would be more then happy with 500mm of KE protection on the turret and upper front plate.
I see you’re still dreaming of competitive KE protection.
Dreaming ≠ Stating a realistic outcome
@MotorolaCRO If you’re so confident that the Merkava (the known best protected tank on earth) actually consists of paper, then feel free to enlighten us with some sources
Do you?
M1A1s were made in the 80s, with export variants of that tank coming online in the 90s and 2000s. (I get the feeling you are thinking about the base M1)
T-90 1993
Leclerc 1992
Challenger 2 1998
2a4 1979, but export tanks and upgraded versions much later.
Keep in mind that all of these dates are when they entered service.
Thinking Merkavas are designed to stop such rounds while only being able to see capable systems on TV is hilarious.
Maybe against CE.
Against KE it would be a laughable thing to claim.
Again, please back out some sources for these claim you so animately make 🤔
50 years old was a hyperbole that tried to show how old their enemies’ fleet really is.
Stuff from 90s are pretty much relics of the past considering we’re in 2025.
Finding realistic sources on things that have, at most, seen KE projectiles in form of rocks thrown at it by the oppressing side.
Feel free to make bold claims then, if you can’t back them up then people will just ignore you 🤷♂️
Okay so where does it states Merkavas could stop 3BM60.
The Merkava’s front plate is at least 166 mm thick and has an angle of approximately 74 degrees, resulting in a line of sight (LOS) of 602 mm. These plates use ceramic-based materials and can undoubtedly achieve KE resistance close to 500 mm.
At least, it is believed that the turret armor modules can withstand it.
However, they are thought to be barely sufficient. Therefore, it is believed that the Merkava tank armor modules from the Mk4-400 onward have been modified.