yeah, of which (unsure about the 2000lbs TV guided GBU-8s and GBU-1/5s) did serve in veitnam although at the latter end, as the early AGM-65As used the same seekers as the AGM-62
Yeah except the F-4E does everything better than mig-21s except lacking an all aspect IR missile. Sure, you can flare IR missiles, now try chaffing a CW radar missile. It would deny climbing for a fair amount of planes (which is important if you’re trying to nuke an airfield).
Do people who bring up “F-4E counters mig-21” ever notice why one has a higher br than the other? Like yeah it sucks you can’t get to use the new shrikes on it but the F-4E is a do-everything plane. You can kill planes, do sead, and cas ground targets in a single loadout. MiG-21s can’t do that. None of them can.
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well im talking more about ordinance and flight than radar
most people forget about the fact that we already got the F-4C, all it would add is something with better AIM-9s for low alt, as well as better Shrikes on a actually fast platform
you forgot up to 2x walleyes or 6x mavericks to pair with those shrikes, as well as again, the AIM-7E2 which can smite climbers. Which essentially counters any climbing jaguar/su-7 trying to nuke toss.
Putting nuke carriers without flares against Mig-21Bis and F-5s wasnt very smart from you
Yeah but at that point so is any other missile carrier tbh
Besides so many people playing nuke carriers get too cocky lol
not to mention if you are still flying high during this you are either cocky or got a death wish, not to mention the SU-25 exists
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Mig-23s are also allowed in the NE event… like, a mig 21 is only scary cuz of the all aspects but they’re usually easy to flare as long as you know they’re coming. The F4E is needed for the mig23s.
Ah, the scary mig-23 with 12 whole cms. How is it a threat? It even has the worst flight model of all MiG-23 variants.
Yet mig 27 is not. Which would be the multirole platform for pact.
Mig 23 in and of itself is a nonissue given the variant that is accessible. If it were a better variant, you would have a case. But it is not, and the F4E brings multi role capacity to one side whilst the other lacks with smart munitions.
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I mean I’m not saying it’s a super big threat or anything… just that the F4E would be a good counter to it. Rather than the 21
Tbf the only other guy near me was a F111 who tried to be one with a tree lol, nobody was around. I find I’ve been able to get quite a few 1v1 dogfights in this especially at altitude
Except the 23M is already relatively easy to kill? It gets 12 whole flares. The 2 R-13M1/R-23R are its only standout from the bis. Of the 4 11.0 USSR has this event, the Su-17m4 is more of a threat than either of these.
I’m just saying the F4E is more similar to the MiG 23, than to the mig21. Given the 23 has CW missiles as well
Ah yes, the whole 2 of them, at best. The case for F4E against mig 23 only works for latter iterations. The first does not warrant it. We do not have the latter iterations.
It would favour the American side even more so than the mode already does.
The R-23R is dog poop compared to the 7E2, and the F-4E carries 4 of them. Did i mention the 23M gets a worse radar to boot?
Worse flight performance too lol, that’s why those who have the Mig 23MF aren’t playing it in Nuclear Escalation, even though they play with the US unlike the M
You didn’t even elaborate in your OP, like at face value it doesn’t really mean anything
I have the M in my line up but it’s just not worth pulling out when could use a su 17 or a 21. Or a 25 if people are deciding to sit at altitude.