Let me sum up what everyone is saying.
The Me-262 would dominate the playing field. MOVIES do not accurately depict how much pain it was to engage a 262 and at best have a couple of seconds to shoot one down. Oh, wait. That rarely actually happened.
The majority were US pilots destroying them while the German pilots were preparing to land on their airstrips. This applies to the Me-163 as well.
Neither is going to be placed on a BR where it is fighting aircraft that cannot match the 262. If you want that go play sim, where the odds are less likely.
Maybe if it was 6.3, but not at 6.7. If the F-84B can be 7.0 with an airspawn, the Me-262 can be 6.7 without one (it also has worse flight performance than the F-84B).
We’re not talking about movies and real life. We’re talking about War Thunder, where third person camera, lack of G-force consequences, and various other factors make BnZ significantly less important (in that it isn’t completely dominant) than real life. The Me 262 will be significantly easier to shoot down in-game than in real life.
I have to ask if you’ve ever played the Me 262 or the He 162 (which, while not the topic of this discussion, is very relevant to the overall question here). The only manner in which it can even remotely compete against aircraft at its current battle rating is if the enemy pilot is completely braindead. It fully relies on the enemy’s incompetence, and we tend to call planes like that bad for their BR.
As for what everyone saying, if I scroll up in the discussion I see a pretty significant portion of people either agreeing with the BR decrease or giving the idea its full due. Most of the people who are vehemently opposed are complaining due to the basic idea of putting a jet against props, and I’m going to wager a guess that they’re overestimating the capabilities of the Me 262 in game because they’ve only played the other early jets that actually have functioning engines.
If you put any of the Me 262s current opposition at 6.7, then they would be incredibly overpowered. The Me 262 is so massively outclassed that this is not the case if you pit it against props.
Yeah. How it is the same BR and the F80A or F84B is wild. One of those has an airspawn(which should be removed, it ruins that BR bracket), the other is just better performing. The Me-262 has all the bad qualities of an F84 but with none of the good stuff, and it doesn’t have an airspawn either.
He-162s aren’t hard to face and it’s only slightly worse than the Me-262.
Me-262s are just overtiered, and anyone who has played them would agree(or their opposition is undertiered which is also true).
I’ve recently got the pleasure of witnessing a Me262 in a full-downtier F3H-2 match in ARB.
Why is there a 8.0 Me262. What is it doing fighting missile jets. Why.
A late WW2 experimental aircraft should never have to fight a plane with radar missiles from 1956. At least the hortons and Me262s shouldn’t.
(Just don’t make props fight the Me163 in ARB. That thing is very annoying given the short matches, at least in sim you can just… hit the bricks and watch it fall out of the sky if it keeps chasing you).
That’s a good portion of my argument here. The vast majority of people I’ve seen discuss the He-162 either consider it easy to kill or annoying to fight, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone think it’s overpowered or anything . I think it’s pretty good, personally.
So if the He 162, with what is, to my knowledge, the same engine or very similar to the Me 262, is widely considered fine at 6.0, then what would make the Me 262 overpowered at 6.7? I think it is pretty evident that the Me 262 should not be fighting most jets from two years after it, let alone ten. When you’re talking about ww2 aviation, that time gap makes a big difference in technology, considering most major advancements happened more on the scale of 3-6 months for aircraft during ww2.
I have no idea how the average B-29 fight plays out I rarely see them. I would prefer bombers to be completely removed from the game mode they do not work in the current game structure.
Bombers are the only reason WW2 Jet Fighters can’t go lower. Against props they’re annoying to deal with but you can out turn them in any situation so it requires surprise to get a kill. Bombers don’t have that, they’re very slow. Once the jet is up to altitude the bomber has very little it can do defensively to avoid dying to a jet. They turn off too fast for turret fire to hit.
Something is definitely wrong here, gaijin. As any layman should know, both the Ar 234 & He 162 displayed better characteristics than the Me 262, and yet somehow the ‘worst’ craft is inexplicably at 7-7.3 in this silly game while the other two are in the sixes on top of being heavily neutered? Fix it:
Props can out turn low tier jets very easily on top of that the jets generally have very low velocity cannons as they weren’t designed to hunt fighters they were designed to kill long range bombers. The British are about the only people who didn’t follow this trend as there weren’t German long range bombers at that point they had to worry about.
“They were initially used to intercept V-1 flying bombs, achieving the world’s first air-to-air “kills” in a jet-powered fighter on 4 August, just a few days before its German competitor, the Me 262, achieved the same on a piloted aircraft.”
