Congratulations, i’m surprised that you have done both and still don’t realize that this entire game is artificial buffs and nerfs for the balance sake. (Kikka is a great example)
Fly more, it seems 23 games on F-80C is not enough for you!
No, I got your point. You just have no more arguments to your own contradiction
Speaking in reproduciable, exact manner rather than vagueposting would get your point across much, much better.
In this case:
WTRTI graphs (with reproducable conditions).
Statshark FM comparisons.
Real life documentations (whether test pilots or manuals)
Record of dogfights uploaded to youtube.
Vagueposting never gets anyone anywhere.
For instance, if you claim the 109s in Warthunder are artificially nerfed (in Air RB),
then propose
“The 109F4 while using instructor-assisted controls can only pull 12.0 deg AoA whereas in reality it should have a critical AoA of 17.2. This is so low that not even the leading edge slats deploy which is a crucial component of 109’s manueverability. You can measure this with WTRTI or by watching the slats while flying with realistic/full-real vs Mouse Aim and turning hard.”
Then you have made an objective, actionable claim. Now, whether this is intentional or not - we don’t know, we just know that objectively the 109F4 is far more maneuverable than Warthunder Air Realistic Battles presents.
Dude - seriously, Air SB is an absolute niche mode. The whole thread circles around the non existing competitiveness of the 262s in Air RB.
At least in theory any aircraft can be flown successfully even if objective metrics are rather poor. The main issue within this thread is that the performance disadvantage even at their own BR requires very experienced 262 pilots and plain stupid enemies.
So as long as the 262s are overtiered in RB it takes way too much efforts to score kills without going suicidal, therefore your SB experience is worthless as the RB setup kills the surprise effect of a lightning attack vs (almost) all enemies…
It’s only an advantage in that Br will be its speed. Most aircraft will still be more manoeuvrable than it. There already a ME-262 at that BR already. It suffers fighting against spitfires.