You outturn it and the meteors are by no means fast, and considering you want the Me163B to be at the same BR as the meteor F.3, I think you should reconsider your opinion- It sounds completely fair that you are the same BR as something you outturn, out accelerate and outspeed…
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Please don’t complain without playing it even once. I’m talking about MK8 on 8.0, not f3 on 7.3.
Your argument, which still talks about something that was only possible when fuel was 6 minutes and 50secs
I don’t ask for anything else, so please just play 10 rounds, you know what I mean?
Fun fact: both the A-10 and Su-25 had AIM-9L and R-60M at one point, with a rating of 9.7.
LOOK UP
You claimed that every Me 163 and japanese copy should be 7.3BR
Then he brought up Meteors in 7.3BR, which could do nothing against those damn rockets.
Yes. Me 163 might be overrated if we look up, and I understand your pain if I consider that I saw Ki-200 get bullied by F-104A.
But sending them straight down from 8.3 to 7.3 is insane.
You will literally become untouchable and unstoppable.
Please consider those jets in the current 7.3BR, which would do nothing but eventually become your easy dessert.
You didn’t fly with Meteor, and we didn’t fly with Me 163, so it sounds fair to me. :P
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After thinking about it carefully, your point makes sense.
I was quite mad when I saw that the people above did not even bother to listen to my argument, closed their eyes and ears, and forced me to play the way that was only possible when before fuel rate nerf
In fact, not only the F-104, but even the F-86A, Saab105, MIG-15/17/19 and F3H are now very difficult to deal with, so there is no need to even talk about fighters like the F-104 and F-100.
However, if we’re going to maintain the Me 163’s BR, we need to raise the BR of all 1st or 2nd gen jet fighters, except for the G.91.
At the very least, supersonic jets should start at 10.0, like they did five years ago.
Thanks for chilling my brain
If that happens, Top jets like F-15E should be sorta 17.0+ maybe?
No prob.
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Yes, it should be.
If Gaijin had been proactive in expanding BR the top jet would have been formed between 17.0-18.0 by now.
Since the “Supersonic” update, Gaijin has been neglecting the existing aircraft and has not expanded the BR, releasing famous rival jet such as F-4, MIG-21 or MIG-29, F-16, or like the F-14, which became famous through movies.
In the process, lesser-known jets like the F-86H, MiG-17F, F-106, Su-15, and some jets like the MiG-25 and MiG-31 missed their release dates.
It’s too late to release it now, and it could either be a victim of BR compression like the Me 163 or a beneficiary of BR compression like the F-104.
At least if the current lack of interest in BR expansion continues, no one knows who will become the next Me 163 or F-104.
I hope there will be a major BR expansion in the next update, but… gaijin will focus on creating the C&P sub tree as always.
That’s why missile thunder needs to get bumped up. Ideally with a BR gap where no aircraft exist if needed.
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Again, Compression issue. Every single plane around this BR struggles immensely in an uptier.
None of this apllies when you have 1 min of full boost
Anyone that gets airspawn- you wont even see them
Anyone that climbs - same
So you arrive late to the furball and maybe snag 1 kill (usually an assist as tbe guns are 100% useless) before you are out of fuel.
Its really shit man. Go record a vid and show me im lying
didn’t the su-25 release at 9.3 lmao
Unlocked KI200 today and played few matches, in every singe one got matched up gainst F104 what am i even suposed to do in this matchup.
If the Ki200 was moved to 7.3, what is a F8F-1B going to do to it?
Im just saying current matchups are stupid. I agree that 7.3 is too low i wold put it to 7.7
Compression issues. 8.3 can’t do anything to 9.3, and 9.3 can’t do anything to 10.3… The whole BR range is a mess and the last thing we need is more planes going down
Hopefully damage is fixed but even if that happens I think the first me163 has arguably the slowest travelling aircraft bullets in the game making them extremely hard to succeed with.
Also slightly unrelated, doesn’t the Ki200 actually perform a decent amount better in turning than both 163 variants cause it’s lighter? Along with that both me163 have 1 min less of fuel than ki 200. Perhaps have both 163s at the same rating(just leave the first non folder one clearly worse rather than having it possibly too good at 7.7) and then have ki 200 0.3 higher than them like currently.
Getting f86a5/base mig 15 back to 8.3 or even 8.7 would also help a lot for their matchmaking. Am I the only one that thinks these two easily crush straight wing stuff like meteor mk8 at 8.0? The strength of the straight wing jets is only being better turn in the long run of a turn fight, and nothing else really.
Well subtle differences in maneuverability can be resolved with flaps and speed control.
I even fought against KI-200 Squadron with the Me 163 B-0 and won 1v3
In the past, the fuel factor didn’t matter much, but these days, it seems to matter a little. The MK108 is still one of the best cannons ‘if you just hit it’, except for the meaningless HIT and CRIT that have increased recently. However, the MG151/20 is truly the worst.
It has the worst ballistics and bullet spread among 20mm cannons. As for whether its power is guaranteed, at least the MK108 can hit and crit, but the MG151/20, especially the HEI (Mineshell), often only causes explosive impact and no damage, so it’s better to use APHE instead.
Unlike the MG151 machine gun evaluated by the Allied Forces after WW2, which was considered a very good machine gun along with the Hispano, it is the worst machine gun in terms of destructive power, velocity, ballistics, and rate of fire, worse than not only the cannons of WW2 but also the American MK 11 cannon
The Gsh 23 has similar velocity and spread to the MG151/20, but at least its destructive power and ballistics are guaranteed. Compared to the MG151/20, it would be an insult to the Gsh 23 machine gun.
gonna be real, I love the MG151 20mm, I had a great time with it on the finnish BF109G-2
I ran the armoured targets belt, and although occasionally I’d get a hit or so, most of the time they hit more than hard enough to cripple an enemy plane. Ballistics felt great, can’t really comment on bullet spread but I severely doubt its the worst for both.
At least it seems usable up to 5.3~6.3 BR.
This is because it rotates slowly enough to compensate for the slow bullet velocity and dogfights for a long time to compensate for the impact point.
However, in the case of the Me 163 B-0 or Ta 152 H/C of 8.3, there are many cases where i wonder ‘why this doesn’t work’
Compared to lower BRs, the time to compensate for the impact point is also low, and since there are no cases of dogfighting at close range to the extent that the MG151/20’s low bullet velocity and bullet spread and trajectory are ignored, it is very noticeable.
This is felt even more strongly in fighter-bombers like the Saab 105, which sometimes have strange DMs that even the MK108 or ADEN cannon can’t hit effectively.
The ‘minengeschoss’ shell which can be considered the core of the MG151/20, seems to have a worse ballistics than the MG151/20’s APHE, AP-I, FI-T, and IT, but there is no evidence to prove this because it is a tracer-less bullet.
However, compared to the APHE/AP-I bullet, which is also a tracer-less bullet, it seems difficult to properly hit enemy fighters at a distance of 500~600m.
If you test the MG151/20 HANOMAG, recently released in the USSR’s “Partisan” pack, you’ll see that it strangely doesn’t fire Minengeschoss rounds.
