McDonnell-Douglas F-4E/L Phantom II - Late Serving Air Force Phantom

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This is a (re)submission for an F-4E late in it’s service life with the USAF or ANG. Operated until 1991 by the USAF, the F-4E was a very important milestone aircraft. Even after improved and more advanced fighter aircraft entered service, the F-4E was kept as a backline plane, just in case.


F-4E/L
/L here stands for Late, as is found in Typhoon Mk Ib/L.
Represented in a mid-80s configuration.

F-4E 74-1048, a Block 60 Phantom, on display in the 1980s.

Background
The F-4E was built off of the F-4D, and would be the only Phantom variant fitted with an internal cannon. Initially entering service with the USAF in 1967, the F-4E would arrive in the Southeast Asian theater in 1968, and would be credited with 21 MiG kills during the Vietnam War. Following the war, and the study of “what went wrong” in air combat during the war, new air superiority fighters would begin to be made for the USAF, the F-15A and F-16A, which began to enter service around the late 1970s. This left the F-4E without much of a place in the USAF, but with limited numbers of the new jets available, the F-4E would stay operational throughout the 1980s and into the 1990s.

Many squadrons would retain their Phantoms in lieu of newer equipment. The last squadron in Europe to be reequipped was the 52nd TFW, handing in their Phantoms in 1988. Two Pacific squadrons didn’t receive new equipment, and kept their Phantoms, until 1989. The last active duty USAF squadron to replace their F-4Es, the 4th TFW, completed conversion to the F-15E in 1991.
Most Phantoms taken from front line USAF squadrons were given to the USAF reserves or the Air National Guard. For the USAF reserves, only two squadrons would operate the F-4E. The 457th TFS received F-4Es in 1987, and the 704th TFS received F-4Es in 1989. Both squadrons would have them replaced by F-16Cs in 1991.

F-4Es would start to be received by Air National Guard squadrons in 1985, but these had a relatively brief service life. The F-4E was used by the 110th TFS of the Missouri ANG, the 113th TFS of the Indiana ANG, the 141st TFS of the New Jersey ANG, the 163rd TFS of the Indiana ANG, and the 196th TFS of the Californian ANG. The last F-4E would leave ANG service in 1991.

Specifications
This is a late model Phantom, with no specific block number. Ideally, it should be implemented as Block 60, with all the upgrades of the previous blocks.

Blocks and Additions

Standard F-4E: Equipped with AN/APQ-120 and new optical computing sight
Block 48: AN/ARN-101(V), deleted analog systems and replaced them with digital ones, distinguished by “doghouse” antenna on spine, cockpit sight made easier to read, addition of an ASX-1 TISEO and AN/APQ-120(V)-10/-11; ‘Midas 4’ new gun muzzle, AVQ-23A/B Pave Spike and AN/AVQ-26 Pave Tack capability (retrofitted to earlier blocks);
Block 53: Addition of anti-skid brakes, and KB-25/A gunsight camera with new LCOSS, AGM-65 Maverick capability (retrofitted to earlier blocks); J79-GE-17C/17E engines with low-smoke combustors
Block 56: Replacement of AN/APR-36/37 with AN/ALR-46(V); along with cockpit RHAWS display, programmable automatic jamming control, wiring for ECM pods in front left Sparrow well
Block 60: Digital Scan Converter Group installed for AN/APQ-120(V)-10/-11, display of TV video from TISEO; implementation of CAA (Computer Aided Acquisition), allowing a reduction in ground clutter and improved angles for radar locks along with improving the speed of scan (retrofitted to some earlier blocks)

General Information
Length 63ft (19.2m)
Wingspan 38ft 5in (11.7m) 27ft 7in (8.4m) wing folded
Height 16ft 5in (5m)
Engines 2 x J79-GE-17E smokeless engines ~11,870lbf non-afterburning (~5384kgf)
~17,900 lbf afterburning (~8120kgf)
Empty Weight 30,328lb (13,757kg)
Fuel Capacity 1225 US gal (4637 L) internal fuselage + 630 US gal (2385 L) internal wing
600 US gal (2271 L) external centerline + 2 x 370 US gal (1400 L) external wing
Total Fuel Load 1855 US gal (7022 L) internal 1340 US gal (5071 L) external (3 tanks)
Hardpoints - 9 total 5 external hardpoints 4 semi-recessed Sparrow hardpoints
Ordnance
Ordnance
Air-to-Air
IR
AIM-9J/P Can use either one, the USAF did use the AIM-9P
AIM-9N Upgraded AIM-9J, similar difference as AIM-9G and AIM-9H
AIM-9P-4 All-Aspect AIM-9P
AIM-9L All-Aspect
Radar
AIM-7E
AIM-7E-2/E-3 AIM-7E-3 is AIM-7E-2 with fusing changes
AIM-7F
AIM-7M
Air-to-Ground
Bombs
Mk 81 250lb (LDGP/Snakeye)
Mk 82 500lb (LDGP/Snakeye/LGB)
Mk 83 1000lb (LDGP/Retard/LGB)
Mk 84 2000lb (LDGP/Retard/LGB)
M117 750lb (GP/Retard/LGB)
M118 3000lb (GP/Retard/LGB)
GBU-8 EO
GBU-9 EO
GBU-15 TV
AGM-62A/B TV
AGM-62A ER/B ER TV
BLU-27/B Napalm
CBU-99/100 Rockeye II (Cluster)
Rockets
Mighty Mouse FFAR
Zuni FFAR
Missile
AGM-12C MCLOS
AGM-65B TV
AGM-65D IR
AGM-45A ARM
Other
AN/AVQ-23A/B Pave Spike Laser Designator
AN/AVQ-26 Pave Tack Laser Designator
AN/ALQ-119 ECM
AN/ALQ-184 ECM
AN/AAQ-8 IRCM
SUU-23/A 20mm Gunpod
GPU-5/A 30mm Gunpod
SUU-25/A Illumination Flare Dispenser
Avionics
Radar AN/APQ-120(V)-10/-11 Addition of CAA mode (ACM) and Map-B mode (BVR)
RWR AN/ALR-46(V)3
TACAN AN/ASQ-5 IFF
TIESO AN/ASX-1 EO camera system
HUD LCOSS
CM AN/ALE-40 Countermeasure dispenser
Cockpit Images

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Edit to try to explain how CAA and Map-B works

CAA
From my understanding, CAA works by greatly improving radar scan speed.
Using the newer ACM computer along with enhanced radar, the scan zone is split into three “areas,” centered at -15°, 0°, and +15° (left to right), each scanning between -7.5° and +7.5° of the center; where the radar will scan from -9° to +45° (vertical) at 120°/s.

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When the scan sweeps below the horizon, the ACM will impose dynamic range limiting. Taking into account the aircraft’s pitch and roll, the system limits the scan according to the angle of the radar antenna below the horizon to reduce clutter while still allowing acquisition at close ranges.

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The ACM computer scans the radar feed for valid returns of known target profiles, and is programmed with target recognition algorithms to aid in acquiring valid targets while minimizing spurious lock ons. In essence, the computer compares the radar scan return to the radar signature of known targets, attempting to discern a valid target from a fluff return. While looking below the horizon, the radar does not look for a “doppler” speed difference as some other radars do, instead looking for the shape of a specific target.
If CAA mode attempts to lock on to a target that is determined to be undesirable, the radar will ignore the “target” and a small area around the target for three half-scans. This permits the radar to look for more valid targets while ignoring the invalid return. If a lock is broken, the area around where the target “disappeared” is blocked out for three half-scans. In practice, this would just be a clearer picture of any target and shorter lock time.

It should be noted that CAA is primarily intended as an ACM mode. It cannot help for long range, BVR engagements at low altitude, only once the range is closed and ACM mode is enabled.

Map-B
While less in detail than CAA mode, Map-B is still important to mention. It is used in low altitude search operations, and limits the radar to a one-bar scan (vertical) for easier target detection. In essence, instead of scanning vertical in two sections, it will only scan one section. It exchanges a narrower vertical scan for a more defined low-altitude target recognition ability. BVR still works in this mode, however Map-B does not remove ground clutter, only attempt to minimize it.

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Conclusion
I think this aircraft should be added, and in my opinion, should have been added a long time ago. It would help fill the gap in the line between the F-4E that we have and the F-15A, which is a huge gap. It also would (finally) allow the USAF to get their penultimate Phantom, along with hopefully the USN’s F-4S/L, giving the US the best possible Phantoms they could get. While not on the same level of air-to-air capability as the F-4S, the F-4E/L definitely has it beat in multirole capability. Not only does it get AIM-9L and AIM-7M, but it also gets multiple laser designators along with improved guided munitions. However, in the hope of keeping it on par with its contemporaries, and not overtiering it, the F-4E/L (and F-4S/L for that matter) should NOT receive the AIM-9M, despite in theory being able to use it.
For a stock loadout, I propose 4x AIM-9J/P and 4x AIM-7E (assuming SARH missiles become stock). The AIM-9N and AIM-7E-2/E-3 should be Rank 1 modifications, the AIM-9P-4 and AIM-7F as Rank 3, and AIM-9L and AIM-7M as Rank 4. If SARH missiles are not/don’t become stock, then the AIM-7E can be ignored and it can start with the AIM-7E-2/E-3.

Regarding the current F-4E, it should not need changing. The only change I can think of for the current F-4E is that it should receive the wider HUD with LCOSS, as having access to Mavericks would mean that it also has the LCOSS, and maybe improving the RWR display. It is fine where it is, and this new F-4E/L should be a separate vehicle to avoid creating another gap in the tree.
I think the F-4E/L would fit very well as a dual addition with the USN’s F-4S/L, both being a late version of an important milestone airframe in aircraft development of the United States. They would round out Rank VII, and can provide a stepping stone to the more advanced aircraft that followed them.

Gallery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gh6TWP0kcY

Video of Phantoms at Ramstein AFB



F-4E 74-1644 landing. This is a Block 62 Phantom.



F-4E at Ramstein AFB, 1983. This Phantom is of an earlier block, and lacks the TISEO and other features.



F-4E on the ramp, 1983.



F-4E 73-1175 on the ramp, 1981.



F-4E parked in an aircraft shelter during exercise Crested Cap 83, part of Autumn Forge 83.



F-4E 73-1172 on the ramp, probably some time after being converted to a QF-4E.



F-4E on the ramp at Ramstein, showing the Euro-1 paint scheme.


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USAF (left) and USN (right) pilots posing next to an AIM-9L in front of their service’s aircraft, 1975.



F-4E from Spangdahlem AFB armed with AGM-45 Shrike and AIM-7 Sparrow.



F-4E of the 57th Fighter Intercept Squadron.

DCS Forum of F-4E Liveries

Sources

Wikipedia - McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II
JoeBaugher - USAF - F-4E
Aviation.Watergeek - F-4 Front Panel
F4Phantom - F-4E Flight Manual Manual (1979), TO 1F-4E-1
AviationArchives (Download) - Aircrew Weapons Delivery Manual (Nonnuclear) (1986), TO 1F-4E-34-1-1; Radar Information (CAA) Pages 47-57
PaulCegelski - J79 Engine
Defense Technical Information Center - AD A142-58 - Weapons Files

Reposted from a suggestion of mine, here.

Edit: additional “detailed” radar information

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+1 into folder with basic one

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+1 I NEED THIS! This would be perfect for the AIM-9M and the AIM-120A basically like the F-4F ICE but better!

how long did it take for this post to be posted?

It cannot use AIM-120s

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Then why does the F-4F ICE use them?

Because the F-4F ICE was an upgrade to give the F-4Fs that capability.

It had nothing to do with US phantoms

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+1 Sure why not.

Excellent suggestion! You have my support. +1

The real question is where does it fall in capabilty. Even without AIM-9Ms, surely it is superior to the F-16A-10 in both A2A and A2G roles, given it has TGPs, LGBs, Shoot-down capability and SARHs. Because of that, wouldnt it need AIM-9Ms in order to defend itself from the other threats it will face in ground battles? Frankly i think the best option is to give it everything it is capable of and let its statistics determine its BR placement. Its the “late” after all.

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The only F-4s in the world to use the Aim-120 was the F-4F ICE in Germany quite some time ago and the F-4E AUP for the Hellenic Air Force (which would only have 4 Aim-9Ls to go with its 4 Aim-120s) iirc.

However I do believe Aim-9Ms may be possible for a US F-4E (Late) variant, but I’d have to look into it and ask around for some sources. It’s likely, but not definite. (Also I knew you would be here haha, ofc you were one of the first people to check out a Late F-4E suggestion :P). The F-4E served in the US for quite a long time, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it did indeed use the Aim-9M.

Edit: the only other ARH F-4 that I can think of is either the F-4J fitted with an Aim-54 way back when for testing, or the F-4EJ Kai ADTW with the XAAM-4.

F-4J (maybe F-4B but idk) with a Aim-54 strapped to it

Funny pylon :P


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F-4EJ Kai ADTW suggestion link

Defiantly check this one out, it’s a great and well put together suggestion!
Mitsubishi F-4EJ Kai ADTW - The Super Kai Phantom

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Those should be Li’s as well though shouldn’t they?

You would think they would want modern Sidewinders, but I haven’t been able to find anything that suggests they equipped it with anything past the standard Aim-9L. Wouldn’t surprise me given how many vehicles in some countries use old as heck missile and planes. Some countries still use the normal Aim-9P lmao…

Personally, I would stick it with 9Ls similar to the F-4EJ Kai. At best, maybe AIM-9P-5 (9M IRCCM on 9P). But I would avoid AIM-9Ms, and ideally also avoid 9P-5s, because it would be too good for air modes (which is where I’m more concerned about it’s placement). Although I need to mention that I’m somewhat thinking of it in an air-sim thought process, as that is my primary gamemode. At least in air, I picture the F-4E/L as a sort of counter to the MiG-23ML/A/D at 11.3/11.7, and 9Ms, and probably 9P-5s, would be too good for that area.
But, I don’t think it necessarily needs AIM-9Ms for self defense against threats in ground battles as it does have the Sparrows which the F-16 doesn’t get. However, the counter to having improved capability (A2G) to the F-16 is lackluster low-altitude A2A capability, which is where most dogfights happen in ground battles. Unlike the F-16, the F-4E’s radar sucks at detecting anything at low altitude, so unless you know where your target is already you will essentially be radar-blind. But in the close range situations of ground battles, I think the AIM-9L is fine.

Unless they somehow figure out mod-based BRs finally, I would say no AIM-9Ms.

Not really, with TISEO functioning correctly.

A massive plus 1 from me. This is badly needed not even as a gap filler but also for variety and excellent mutirole performance.
Luv muh phantoms

Massive +1, I was in support of the original suggestion on the old forum, glad its been re-written. America as the creator of the Phantom and user of the most diverse set of variants and modifications should just get more Phantoms throughout the tree

The 1990s manual for the F-4E block 63 states it can carry AIM-9M

If you don’t believe the reddit post (since the manual is not longer available), here’s a previous bug report on the F-4E using the same 1990s manual in which you can see AIM-9L and AIM-9M.

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If we really want to go into more unique territory with this later Echo-Phantom, why not have it be one of the last production F-4Es, thus giving it the single-piece windshield?

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Thanks man! Just saved me a bunch of time, glad to know I wasn’t loosing it haha