No i think XM803 should stay where it is currently.
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It’s worse than the MBT-70, yet it also sits at 9.0
If the MBT-70 goes down to 9.0 then the XM-803 would belong at 8.7…
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It is fine where it is, specially when many vehicles around 10.0/3 are going up in br.
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Yeah i feel better now that 10.3 will be less modern mbts. So sugestion is kinda pointless
I still think the KPZ-70 should move up to 9.7, now that a lot of other vehicles have moved up in BR (including the superior Leopard 2K).
The MBT-70 can finally not be inferior if that was the case, and the XM803 would still be worth it at 9.0.
No, They are completely fine at 9.3
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If only the MBT-70 were the same as the KPZ-70…
The MBT gets better atgm reload while Kpz gets better apfsds/heat reload
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The ATGM it gets sucks. There is no reason to use it over the APFSDS (especially when it gets a LRF).
The KPZ-70 is much better overall.
In this thread: a lot of people grossly overestimating these tanks’ ability
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MBT-70 is pretty terrible, especially at the moment. It will become mediocre after the BR changes.
XM803 is balanced at the moment. It will become good after the BR changes.
KPZ-70 is pretty good at the moment, and will become very good after the BR changes.
The KPZ-70 is almost just as manueverable as the Leopard 2K, gets a 20mm, and has a 6.0s reload instead of a 6.7s reload (that most vehicles get around this BR).
The only issue is the round (and the somewhat lackluster armour), which is just about as good as the T-62’s round, or the Object 122’s (which both sit at 8.7), or just about as good as the M735 shot that the XM-1 (GM) gets. This round can pen most things weakspots, coupled with the reload and mobility, makes it a very good vehicle.
thing is that the MBT-70 is still an okay tank… I don’t see why is needs moved Kpz-70’s reload is unfair tho
Well yeah, definitely after the BR changes it will.
The KPZ should not be the same BR as the MBT-70, though. It should be 0.3 higher.
So I think the KPZ-70 should be moved up to 9.7, where the 2K used to be.
Or we could do it the other way:
Keep the KPZ-70 at 9.3, and move down the MBT-70 to 9.0, and the XM-803 to 8.7 (or keep it at 9.0 and make it be slightly inferior to the MBT-70).
In which case, that’s somewhat reasonable. But I don’t think making the XM-803 8.7 (may be far too good), or making it inferior to the MBT-70 is the best option here.
I enjoyed the KPz-70, I carry a bunch of HEAT shells especially in large maps to nuke targets hiding behind cover thinking they won’t be hit lol
It’s a good vehicle, and now it’s going to be even better since a lot of the tougher opponents you’d face in an uptier are moving up by 0.3, effectively making them rarer to fight against, or completely removing them from the match-maker entirely.
The small differences between the MBT70 and KPZ70 do not make one of them terrible and one pretty good.
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The 20mm also extremely effective against first spawn helicopters and could reliably defend itself against CAS that dive to shoot mg/rockets, because this thing could reverse as quickly as moving forward, only thing that feels a bit underwhelming is the apfsds.
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1.5s reload difference makes a lot of difference.
7.5s makes you the slowest reloading vehicle out of every single 9.3.
Think about it, even the T-64s / T-72s out-reload you (7.1s reload). And for what? A mediocre round?
6.7s is average - most 9.3 vehicles reload at this rate.
6.0s reload is very good for 9.3.
And the better reload isn’t the only thing that makes the KPZ-70 different to the MBT-70.
The KPZ-70 has a better engine (albeit marginal). So it has a hp/ton of 29.01 instead of 28.53.
The KPZ-70 also gets a lot more smoke grenades (16 instead of 8), and drops them by 2 instead of 4. So you get 8 pops of smoke with the KPZ-70, while you only get 2 pops of smoke with the MBT-70 (albeit the pops of smoke on the MBT-70 are larger since you use 4 instead of 2).
All these differences definitely sums up to a reasonable 0.3 BR difference.
Not enough to call one bad and one pretty good. My fights aren’t often decided by reload rate.
They don’t sum up to a 0.3 difference with the current levels of BR compression. It would if they decompressed more than what they’re doing.
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So you think the slightly better engine and the 20mm that the MBT-70 gets should warrant a 0.3 BR difference between it and the XM803?
And reload rate often can decide between whether you die or not, and whether you can get a number of kills in one go.
Now that the 2K is being moved up to 10.0, and so is pretty much everything else at 10.0+, it’s a good time to move the KPZ-70 to a BR where it doesn’t make the MBT-70 largely inferior.