Currently, the 9.0 versus 9.3 BR is actually pretty clearly based on technology, with 9.0s having stabs and LRF but (usually) no thermals, and 9.3s having stabs, LRF, and thermals.
Even if there was decompression of the area, the MBT-/Kpz-70 shouldn’t be the ones to move down
So do you think the XM-803 should be at 8.7? Yeah idk bout that, the new decompression should help…
No i think XM803 should stay where it is currently.
It’s worse than the MBT-70, yet it also sits at 9.0
If the MBT-70 goes down to 9.0 then the XM-803 would belong at 8.7…
It is fine where it is, specially when many vehicles around 10.0/3 are going up in br.
Yeah i feel better now that 10.3 will be less modern mbts. So sugestion is kinda pointless
I still think the KPZ-70 should move up to 9.7, now that a lot of other vehicles have moved up in BR (including the superior Leopard 2K).
The MBT-70 can finally not be inferior if that was the case, and the XM803 would still be worth it at 9.0.
No, They are completely fine at 9.3
If only the MBT-70 were the same as the KPZ-70…
The MBT gets better atgm reload while Kpz gets better apfsds/heat reload
The ATGM it gets sucks. There is no reason to use it over the APFSDS (especially when it gets a LRF).
The KPZ-70 is much better overall.
In this thread: a lot of people grossly overestimating these tanks’ ability
MBT-70 is pretty terrible, especially at the moment. It will become mediocre after the BR changes.
XM803 is balanced at the moment. It will become good after the BR changes.
KPZ-70 is pretty good at the moment, and will become very good after the BR changes.
The KPZ-70 is almost just as manueverable as the Leopard 2K, gets a 20mm, and has a 6.0s reload instead of a 6.7s reload (that most vehicles get around this BR).
The only issue is the round (and the somewhat lackluster armour), which is just about as good as the T-62’s round, or the Object 122’s (which both sit at 8.7), or just about as good as the M735 shot that the XM-1 (GM) gets. This round can pen most things weakspots, coupled with the reload and mobility, makes it a very good vehicle.
thing is that the MBT-70 is still an okay tank… I don’t see why is needs moved Kpz-70’s reload is unfair tho
Well yeah, definitely after the BR changes it will.
The KPZ should not be the same BR as the MBT-70, though. It should be 0.3 higher.
So I think the KPZ-70 should be moved up to 9.7, where the 2K used to be.
Or we could do it the other way:
Keep the KPZ-70 at 9.3, and move down the MBT-70 to 9.0, and the XM-803 to 8.7 (or keep it at 9.0 and make it be slightly inferior to the MBT-70).
In which case, that’s somewhat reasonable. But I don’t think making the XM-803 8.7 (may be far too good), or making it inferior to the MBT-70 is the best option here.
I enjoyed the KPz-70, I carry a bunch of HEAT shells especially in large maps to nuke targets hiding behind cover thinking they won’t be hit lol
It’s a good vehicle, and now it’s going to be even better since a lot of the tougher opponents you’d face in an uptier are moving up by 0.3, effectively making them rarer to fight against, or completely removing them from the match-maker entirely.
The small differences between the MBT70 and KPZ70 do not make one of them terrible and one pretty good.
The 20mm also extremely effective against first spawn helicopters and could reliably defend itself against CAS that dive to shoot mg/rockets, because this thing could reverse as quickly as moving forward, only thing that feels a bit underwhelming is the apfsds.
1.5s reload difference makes a lot of difference.
7.5s makes you the slowest reloading vehicle out of every single 9.3.
Think about it, even the T-64s / T-72s out-reload you (7.1s reload). And for what? A mediocre round?
6.7s is average - most 9.3 vehicles reload at this rate.
6.0s reload is very good for 9.3.
And the better reload isn’t the only thing that makes the KPZ-70 different to the MBT-70.
The KPZ-70 has a better engine (albeit marginal). So it has a hp/ton of 29.01 instead of 28.53.
The KPZ-70 also gets a lot more smoke grenades (16 instead of 8), and drops them by 2 instead of 4. So you get 8 pops of smoke with the KPZ-70, while you only get 2 pops of smoke with the MBT-70 (albeit the pops of smoke on the MBT-70 are larger since you use 4 instead of 2).
All these differences definitely sums up to a reasonable 0.3 BR difference.