evolution of being a shytty tank weighing too much in resources where it could of been used somewhere else? too slow? can’t climb? CAS magnet ez kill? yeah.
Say that again slowly and let me know what you think.
good thing WT maps are flat as hell and the game doesnt simulate power loss from transmisisons.
something can be notable while also being bad or a failiure in the real world.
the pontiac Aztec was mocked and a commercial failiure, but its still notable for being part the beginning of the modern SUV automobile. Joke of a vehicle outside of breaking bad but still noteworthy.
90% of 6.7s cant kill it front on any more and the other 2 7.7s the T32 and IS4M also cant its weakest armor is 230mm now on cheeks making it very hard to kill only way is flanking very much a threat below or at its br its beyond OP at range though with 312mm of pen
All artificial, no tank except very few would climb the grades they do in maps.
It cannot, failures like the chocolate chip cookie being created by accident are iconic. A German tank weighing too much for it’s own good is not. All tanks today are fast, agile, and weight conscious for good reason, German engineering is the most overhyped lie in history.
Having an idea and knowing how to sell it in the commercial sense are two different beasts than having a head start in the military industrial complex and sucking at strategy and engineering.
heres a patton climbing a 60 degree slope
almost every tank in game should be able to climb far far steeper than allowed in game.
i agree that german tech is overhyped, has been since ww2 and still is to this day.
you just dont understand what notability means. good or bad can be notable.
1 Like
on a road sure, on wet or lose rock nahhh you need to look at history and see even in todays time high tech vehicles getting owned by a few inches of ice and snow. This is a perfect example of GOOD CONDITIONS. Worlds not made black and white.
Maus was an oversized, inefficient, and waste from all accounts. The same concept as an American that drives to and from work buying and oversized work truck putting lifts and thin tires on them. If notable is being attention seeking than anything is notable and average at best.
While yes some things are super overhyped about but this isnt true if germany was so over hyped they wouldnt have done operation paper clip literally everyone took germanys tech after the war for there own stuff aswell
the maus was a huge waste of resources same with the tiger 2 a redesigned tiger 1 and panzer IV would’ve been way better
When you have an economy built around war before every nation took notice and having humans research breakthrough in technology to kill each other you’re always going to have the upper hand. If any other nation in those times took the time to do what Germany did they would of been ahead, US taking a oath of solitude before Japan strikes is proof of that (We don’t want to be in another war). Germany suffered from the wrong political ideology and stance on human life resulting in it’s own downfall. It takes more than having a strong military to conquer the world which was the original ambition.
In the end, after the fall most ran to the west due to what they knew of the soviet union, ravaged by the end of the war.
Overall, the tiger 2 was amazing and great in all it’s designs but the painter loved the waste of making things bigger and worse than it should be. It’s the same concept as why humans are amazed by oversized doors in history showing power and greatness. A show of strength isn’t a show of power.
I’m not here to discuss depths of whatever, it’s boring but overall the Maus was destined to fail. If you asked me what was the best tank of WW2 I will say the T-34. The backbone of design and manufacturing on winning a war. Good enough on it’s own, humble yet noble to strike conquer in times of desperate measures. It was good enough, operated by a people who saw an end to the German conquest of the time. It was built by Russian who cared and wanted to stop the war at it’s time. Today we see that in Ukraine, a war people expected to be over quickly turned into years of political turmoil and hope. Germany could have all the “great” technology of it’s time it doesn’t matter if you can’t rally you’re people for a noble cause. Therefore, the Maus in itself is a failure in nobility. Destined for failure in game and in life.
debatable id argue the sherman just cause it had less hicciups at the start and mid war
specifically the Sherman jumbo that things the most versatile tank i have ever seen it has a very wide arrange of capability’s
you’re either very ignorant of WW2 or how the Military Industrial complex was born. USA and UK are Maritime powerhouses who later discovered how effective Sea is compared to land. Debatable is only in the terms of continental powers but anyone who knows a thing or two about Maritime can easily defend shtyy Shermans vs Continental powerhouse.
USA specifically made the Pershing for German clap back. Any longer, Germany would of seen IS3’s and T34s. Overall, argue all you want the best thing WW2 did was put Maritime powers in the most dominant position destined for greatness.
It was a piece of pointless junk. For a country that didn’t have the resources to produce enough of them could have mass-produced Hetzers.
The only thing it had that made it “Great” was the gun and the frontal angling of the armor plating. Until it didn’t.
Case examples.
So this is entirely incorrect. Infact its very wrong. We were trying to improve the M4 Sherman’s capability by creating another type of tank that could help support the vehicles.
Which eventually evolved into the T20.
T23->
T25E1->
We didn’t produce them cause of Germany. If that were the case, we would have had more of them in the War.
But we didn’t; only a very small amount already built was sent, which caused a bunch of headaches for logistics. Cause the M26 used a different bore diameter and 90mm shell. You couldn’t just use the M36 Jackson’s 90mm shells in an M26 wouldn’t have worked.
Also, the only reason we sent the M26 Pershing wasn’t just to reinforce the front lines but also to see how these tanks actually performed and if the idea of Heavy Tanks was feasible to continue its development.
The only thing the T-34 had that was good was the fact it was designed for mass production of quality of everything.
The Soviets preferred American Equipment when they got their hands on it. We also have documentation from the war proving that US equipment also helped improve the veteran status of Soviet Tank Crews. 1 focused on volume; the other focused on the in-between; Shermans had standardized quality. Soviets did not. Germany focused on Batched Quality, though.
True
Not true but true and true
well hold on, it was not failure due to its design it was a failure cause the metals germany had at that point in the war where bad the design itself was good they simply lacked proper equipment to make it right
if you look at the tiger 2H ingame its literally one of the Best 6.7s due to its armor and powerful gun because its armor metallurgy isnt modeled
well specifically i was saying what’s debatable is the T34 being the best tanks as Sherman was better. better metals made and America didn’t need as many of them even tho they made more T34’s one Sherman was of much higher quality and repairability and could work much longer they produced less and supplied many people with them such as britain and russia who adored the Sherman
If I remember not sure but I think tanks in war thunder were able to do that before but people got frustrated that other people use tanks climbing advantage to climb very tall hills and snipe straight into their spawn and above people in overpowered camping spots.
It was a failure because Germany did not have the logistical capacity to actually support the vehicle and didn’t bother to fix the flaw of it consuming too much fuel that it did.
One of the few reasons we even won at the Battle of the Bulge was because German tanks no longer had the fuel to assist. We had reports where Tiger II’s ran out of fuel and were abandoned or scuttled.
It works at 7.7 Yes occasionally it will be in a full down tier and a challenge for the 6.7s but most of the time it will be punching up against vehicles that can pen it without too much trouble. The same can be said of other heavies. This is one area where the game design makes sense.
yea instead of fixing bad map design we just got tanks with lubed up tracks
1 Like